Spirituality
30 Apr 22
@fmf saidI'm talking about the reality of what we believe, not what or that we believe.
I don't think you sufficiently comprehend my side of this conversation to be able to "twist" it. You just keep telling me over and over and over again what the tenets of your faith are, which I already know.
@divegeester saidYou are?
I’m divegeester, another poster who is observing your behaviour in this thread with great interest, a little amusement and who finds you to be a bit of an odd character.
You say you believe that salvation can be lost, but you deny the existence of this phenomena when you are confronted by it. Let’s have a think about why you would adopt this cognitive dissonance…
...[text shortened]... MF once had what you have now I wonder…. You know what, I think that’s it!
What say you KellyJay?
@kellyjay saidYou say that you believe a person can lose their faith and then spend hundreds of posts across dozens of threads arguing that they can’t lose their faith because they would never have had faith in the first place.
Yes, what you say about it is the Christian faith is not true since truth doesn't change
due to time or place; it never was according to you when it came to your life and
everyone else's. You professed it, you did that, but you changed your mind. I'm not
arguing you didn't profess it, only that Jesus Christ was never a part of your life by
your own admission.
You are mixed up odd little church guy.
@fmf saidIf they are making claims about reality, that is fair, but if they object to reality due to
Do you object to people making claims about everyone, always, everywhere?
people, that is another thing altogether. There are no personal truths; there are
personal opinions about truth; even if you claim something is true, that is, it is still
a claim.
You are saying I made a claim that was reality; I changed my mind that is reality.
You did voice an opinion that was so solid that it had to be rejected, and making a
claim is all bogus because of your experience as you see it.
Repeating ourselves, I'm going to let this go; if you don't understand my point, then
I doubt you ever will.
@kellyjay saidIf all you are asserting, when push comes to shove, is that I am no longer a Christian, then that is not in dispute. I am no longer a Christian, KellyJay. I have been entirely open about it.
If they are making claims about reality, that is fair, but if they object to reality due to
people, that is another thing altogether. There are no personal truths; there are
personal opinions about truth; even if you claim something is true, that is, it is still
a claim.
You are saying I made a claim that was reality; I changed my mind that is reality.
You did voice a ...[text shortened]... at it had to be rejected, and making a
claim is all bogus because of your experience as you see it.
07 May 22
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@fmf saidAll I'm asserting is that Christ is required to be a Christian. For some all that means is
If all you are asserting, when push comes to shove, is that I am no longer a Christian, then that is not in dispute. I am no longer a Christian, KellyJay. I have been entirely open about it.
fitting in the culture, some well my family is Christian, some I'm entertained by the
music, all my friends attend church; I am because it is expected of me, or they have
influence in the church. All can go and make the claims for all types of reasons but
only one matters.
People draw near God with their mouths all the time; they brag about how much
better they are than someone else; look at me, all the good works I do! When they
think about God, all they see is the building, the worship, the prayers, the
sacraments, and the religious activity, while in the end, they will hear, "depart from
me; I never knew you." The bottom line fact, the most important part of the whole
discussion is Jesus Christ in you? Is He your Lord and Savior, or are you playing
church?
@kellyjay saidYou seem absolutely desparate to assert that I never had Christian faith. You have perhaps never come across as being as narcissistic and as insecure as you are now, over this issue, over this straw-clutching need you have to establish that a huge part of my past life does not measure up to your personal satisfaction.
All I'm asserting is that Christ is required to be a Christian. For some all that means is
fitting in the culture, some well my family is Christian, some I'm entertained by the
music, all my friends attend church; I am because it is expected of me, or they have
influence in the church. All can go and make the claims for all types of reasons but
only one matters.
Peop ...[text shortened]... he whole
discussion is Jesus Christ in you? Is He your Lord and Savior, or are you playing
church?
07 May 22
@fmf saidI have been pointing out that only with Christ is Christianity real; anything else is all
You seem absolutely desparate to assert that I never had Christian faith. You have perhaps never come across as being as narcissistic and as insecure as you are now, over this issue, over this straw-clutching need you have to establish that a huge part of my past life does not measure up to your personal satisfaction.
artificial. It goes beyond you! I've agreed you made a claim, and you changed your
mind.