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@kellyjay said
So either Christ was in you or not, that is not a mental acceptance of something
written down in the Bible, that is the life of God within you. If all you ever had was
some doctrinal agreement with me that is nothing!

Do you think that your stubborn refusal to take FMF at his word when he has opened up honestly to you about his faith and loss of it, is helping lead him back to Christ?

@divegeester said
Do you think that your stubborn refusal to take FMF at his word when he has opened up honestly to you about his faith and loss of it, is helping lead him back to Christ?

I think your opinion of my conversation with someone else doesn't matter to me one
wit. To your point, you have to have Christ to be led back to Him first.

@kellyjay said
If all you ever had wassome doctrinal agreement with me that is nothing!

I had firm faith like you do. Are you going to ignore everything I have said about that faith?

@kellyjay said
Jesus said not only was He the
only way to God He is also life, either the life of God was in you or not.
always was, is, and will be outside of having the life of God in you.

I am fully aware of what your faith is.

@kellyjay said
You have
an opinion, you changed your mind, that is not the life of Christ in you, that is you
always was, is, and will be outside of having the life of God in you.

Your assertion that you are "have the life of God in you" and "the life of Christ in you" - in a way that is supernatural and not merely a metaphor for life-changing inspiration - is merely an elaborate set of opinions that you have about yourself and about a creator being.

@fmf said
I had firm faith like you do. Are you going to ignore everything I have said about that faith?

Was it all gone the moment you changed your mind about what is real or not, if
that was true; it was always between your ears; the substance of Christ was not a
the reality, it was only a profession that could be rejected as if it were never real to
begin with while Jesus promised us life, His LIFE, so the Holy Spirit enters us, so we
are sealed with the promise of the Holy Spirit, that either happens, or it did not if it
did and you reject Him; that is quite different than saying I no longer believe He is
real.

Ephesians 1:13
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,

@kellyjay said
Was it all gone the moment you changed your mind about what is real or not, if
that was true; it was always between your ears; the substance of Christ was not a
the reality, it was only a profession that could be rejected as if it were never real to
begin with while Jesus promised us life, His LIFE, so the Holy Spirit enters us, so we
are sealed with the promise of the H ...[text shortened]... if it
did and you reject Him; that is quite different than saying I no longer believe He is
real.

I know you have Christian faith and I understand what it is and what it's based on.

Meanwhile, now, unlike I was for 25+ years, I am an agnostic atheist.

If you don't know what any of this means, and just feel you have to keep alluding to how strong and real and significant your faith is, then you are perhaps wasting your breathbon me.

Look, KellyJay, I understand what the tenets of your faith are. I used to share them. So, again, I understand what the tenets of your faith are. I understand what they are. I really do.

@kellyjay said
Ephesians 1:13
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,

I know full well that bits of ancient writing like this make you think that your faith involves some kind of supernatural transformation of you.

I already know you believe this. I know that things like Ephesians have convinced you that it's an objective fact and an absolute truth and blah blah blah.

KellyJay, I already know all this.

@kellyjay said
I think your opinion of my conversation with someone else doesn't matter to me one
wit. To your point, you have to have Christ to be led back to Him first.

I think you’re a prideful religionist who has absolutely no caring for the lost, no interest in the dammed in hell. All you care about is your little tiny piece of credibility on a chess forum website.

Go and save some people from the hell and damnation which you claim to believe in.

@fmf said
I know you have Christian faith and I understand what it is and what it's based on.

Meanwhile, now, unlike I was for 25+ years, I am an agnostic atheist.

If you don't know what any of this means, and just feel you have to keep alluding to how strong and real and significant your faith is, then you are perhaps wasting your breathbon me.

Look, KellyJay, I understand wha ...[text shortened]... So, again, I understand what the tenets of your faith are. I understand what they are. I really do.

I have heard your story but the thing I keep pointing out to you is that truth doesn’t change. If God was really real when you were 25 He still is, so what changed was not God, but you. Which also means if God was never real what you had was never real.

You telling me you were a Christian either means you never had Christ in your life, or you did. Since you are now suggesting you don’t believe than the only concussion is He never was, you were simply going through the motions as you now imply those with faith are now doing!

You suggest all other’s faith are no different than what you had, and cast aside!

@kellyjay said
You suggest all other’s faith are no different than what you had, and cast aside!

Religious faith is a function of cognition.

@kellyjay said
I have heard your story but the thing I keep pointing out to you is that truth doesn’t change. If God was really real when you were 25 He still is, so what changed was not God, but you. Which also means if God was never real what you had was never real.You telling me you were a Christian either means you never had Christ in your life, or you did.

I know full well that you have faith in your God figure and that you believe He is "really real". I know full well that you believe that you have "Christ in your life" in some sort of supernatural way and not just as an inspiration and exemplar. I understand your faith, KellyJay. I understand it. I really do. I understand your faith despite the fact I am now an agnostic atheist.

@kellyjay said
If God was really real when you were 25 He still is, so what changed was not God, but you. Which also means if God was never real what you had was never real.

You telling me you were a Christian either means you never had Christ in your life, or you did. Since you are now suggesting you don’t believe than the only concussion is He never was, you were simply going through ...[text shortened]... are now doing!

You suggest all other’s faith are no different than what you had, and cast aside!

I understand your faith, KellyJay. I understand that you feel and believe that your God figure is real.

@fmf said
I know full well that you have faith in your God figure and that you believe He is "really real". I know full well that you believe that you have "Christ in your life" in some sort of supernatural way and not just as an inspiration and exemplar. I understand your faith, KellyJay. I understand it. I really do. I understand your faith despite the fact I am now an agnostic atheist.

Then you should know if all we talk about is "OUR FAITH," the only thing we are
talking about is us, nothing more, nothing less. If we talk about God, we are not
talking about ourselves but God. So where the two touches, where God touches us,
is either real or not; if real, it is a mix, and you can only have both if God is real. So
saying you understand my faith and saying you were once like me is saying there is
no God because now you are not like me, now you deny it.

@kellyjay said
Then you should know if all we talk about is "OUR FAITH," the only thing we are
talking about is us, nothing more, nothing less.

"Our faith" refers to the Christian faith that I had and that you still have.