Our "-isms" "-ologies"

@fmf said
I am well aware of the beliefs that constitute your faith. I was thinking ~ and would have been saying ~ more or less the same things as you 20+ years ago to someone who had lost their faith.

But now you just have to put up with KellyJay thumbing down every single one of your posts in a sort of Les Miserables style of fortitude.

@divegeester said
But now you just have to put up with KellyJay thumbing down every single one of your posts in a sort of Les Miserables style of fortitude.

I don't thumb down posts.

@kellyjay said
Saying it is different than having it happen, one simply requires a change of mind to reject the other a denial of an actual event.

Me having faith was instrumental in countless actual events. I have never denied that faith "happened" to me. Are you not reading my post?

@fmf said
Me having faith was instrumental in countless actual events. I have never denied that faith "happened" to me. Are you not reading my post?

I am reading your posts you have been saying that you use to believe now you don’t. Did I get that wrong?

@kellyjay said
I am reading your posts you have been saying that you use to believe now you don’t. Did I get that wrong?

You seem to be claiming that I never had faith and you are trying as many rhetorical and psychological gimmicks in this discourse as you can to press home your point. I think I know what the ideological reasons are for your intellectual behaviour in this matter. I have stated what I think they are.

@fmf said
Me having faith was instrumental in countless actual events. I have never denied that faith "happened" to me.

Time and time and time again, you ostensibly reply to my posts... but not in earnest... you don't engage what I am actually saying.

The same can't be said for my efforts to engage what you are saying.

I understand your faith. I have also experienced faith. I have also been affected by it. I have also been changed by it. I have also been inspired by it.

I understand you when you say your real life has been affected by it. I understand you when you say you have been changed by it. I understand you when you say something "outside" you has come "into" to you and is "inside you". I understand you when you claim that this is a supernatural transformation.

I understand you when you describe your faith. I acknowledge it. I respect it. I accept that it exists.

Meanwhile, your only agenda seems to be, for all intents and purposes, to ignore almost everything I say about faith and about my own faith, and settle for the rather fatuous insistence that I don't know what it is and never experienced it.

@fmf said
You seem to be claiming that I never had faith and you are trying as many rhetorical and psychological gimmicks in this discourse as you can to press home your point. I think I know what the ideological reasons are for your intellectual behaviour in this matter. I have stated what I think they are.

Please read my words carefully; you have been saying you used to believe; now you
do not. If faith to you is changing your mind about something that you thought true,
that is what it is to you, is that right in your own eyes?

There are no gimmicks here; I'm trying to pin you down on your exact meaning!

What I'm saying is I agree with you on what you have been saying about yourself.

Can we agree on those points?

@fmf said
Time and time and time again, you ostensibly reply to my posts... but not in earnest... you don't engage what I am actually saying.

The same can't be said for my efforts to engage what you are saying.

I understand your faith. I have also experienced faith. I have also been affected by it. I have also been changed by it. I have also been inspired by it.

I understand yo ...[text shortened]... and settle for the rather fatuous insistence that I don't know what it is and never experienced it.

I have been accepting everything you have said about yourself, where we part
company on what you are saying about yourself; that is not what scripture and my
experience claim Christianity is. Your acceptance of your mental fatalities does not
a Christian make. So everything you have said, you once believed, now you do not
I believe, but that doesn't matter.

@kellyjay said
Your acceptance of your mental fatalities does nota Christian make.

[1] I don't know what "fatalities" are. Is the term connected to your claims about immortality?

[2] I do not claim to be a Christian. KellyJay, you have been talking to me for over a decade. I do not claim to be a Christian. I do not claim to be a Christian. Again. I do not claim to be a Christian.

@kellyjay said
I have been accepting everything you have said about yourself, where we part
company on what you are saying about yourself; that is not what scripture and my
experience claim Christianity is.

I know about scripture and I know about your faith. I know what you claim about yourself as a result of your faith.

@kevin-eleven said
I'd take your beliefs over @divegeester's behavior, any day of the week.

You’d take anything.

@kellyjay said
I don't thumb down posts.

I don’t believe you.

@kellyjay said
There are no gimmicks here; I'm trying to pin you down on your exact meaning!

Oh this is rich by you…come on then let’s play…

There are 22 chapters in the Book of Revelation, which of the all the things described therein are literal, real things?

If any.

@kellyjay said
If faith to you is changing your mind about something that you thought true,that is what it is to you, is that right in your own eyes?

Where have I said that ...to me "faith is changing my mind"??

Talk about a gimmicky question!

I have never said any such thing.

You are making it up.

@fmf said
[1] I don't know what "fatalities" are. Is the term connected to your claims about immortality?

[2] I do not claim to be a Christian. KellyJay, you have been talking to me for over a decade. I do not claim to be a Christian. I do not claim to be a Christian. Again. I do not claim to be a Christian.

Factualities should have been used, not fatalities, my bad.
I agree with you that what you once claimed you no longer do.
What changed for you was you changed your mind about what was true and not.
That was what happened to you.
Am I getting anything wrong with this?