Our "-isms" "-ologies"

@kellyjay said
You are always going off on people about their faith,

I’m not sure what you mean by this, but I am sure that whatever it is, I don’t do it.

@kellyjay said
You are always going off on people about their faith, I think this only shows you that
you do not practice what you preach, again. I take him at his word, he made a
profession and changed his mind, while comparing that to both logic and scripture
what he said, about then and now cannot both be true, truth doesn't change. To be
a Christian, requires Jesus Christ, you cann ...[text shortened]... ame time say you were once a Christian because in order to be one the other
simply can not be true.

You’re either a liar or just not very intelligent kellyjay.

Firstly irrespective of what a person says, you do not carry the authority to judge them. Period.

Secondly if a person has salvation faith and (according to your own doctrine), lost that faith … then they are hardly likely to assert that faith in Jesus is real NOW, are they! What they would say is EXACTLY what FMF is saying I.e. that at one time in their life they fully and sincerely believed in Jesus Christ, now they don’t.

What is so hard for you to understand, or are you just pretending that you don’t understand because is pisses you off that FMF once held the same faith you now hold?

@divegeester said
You’re either a liar or just not very intelligent kellyjay.

Firstly irrespective of what a person says, you do not carry the authority to judge them. Period.

Secondly if a person has salvation faith and (according to your own doctrine), lost that faith … then they are hardly likely to assert that faith in Jesus is real NOW, are they! What they would say is EXACTLY ...[text shortened]... that you don’t understand because is pisses you off that FMF once held the same faith you now hold?

Our words are all used because they carry meaning; if you can make them up as you
go, no one could understand you. Christ is required for Christianity to be true; the
Word of God declares that Christ in us is either true or not; if we don't have the
Spirit of God in us, we don't belong to God; that is how one is a Christian. Anything
else is just using the name of Jesus all because of something that only has to do
with us, not Him. If it is all just us, our works, our profession, our righteousness, our
duty, none of that matters if Jesus is not our Lord and Savior; I don't care what your
moral compass is telling you.

If you don't belong to God, if you are not abiding in Christ, you can call yourself a
Christian till the cows come home, but that will not make you right with God.

@kellyjay said
Our words are all used because they carry meaning; if you can make them up as you
go, no one could understand you. Christ is required for Christianity to be true; the
Word of God declares that Christ in us is either true or not; if we don't have the
Spirit of God in us, we don't belong to God; that is how one is a Christian. Anything
else is just using the name of Jesus ...[text shortened]... u can call yourself a
Christian till the cows come home, but that will not make you right with God.

I’m not sure why you are posting this big chunk of non sequitur.

Why don’t you address what I said to you instead of avoiding it?

Edit: as soon as we flip the page you’ll be claiming “I’ve already answered that” 🙄

@divegeester said
I’m not sure why you are posting this big chunk of non sequitur.

Why don’t you address what I said to you instead of avoiding it?

Edit: as soon as we flip the page you’ll be claiming “I’ve already answered that” 🙄

You don't look at answers; you look for things to respond to.

@kellyjay said
You don't look at answers; you look for things to respond to.

Here’s the post you need to respond to kellyjay

Firstly irrespective of what a person says, you do not carry the authority to judge them. Period.

Secondly if a person has salvation faith and (according to your own doctrine), lost that faith … then they are hardly likely to assert that faith in Jesus is real NOW, are they! What they would say is EXACTLY what FMF is saying I.e. that at one time in their life they fully and sincerely believed in Jesus Christ, now they don’t.

What is so hard for you to understand, or are you just pretending that you don’t understand because is pisses you off that FMF once held the same faith you now hold?

@divegeester said
Here’s the post you need to respond to kellyjay

Firstly irrespective of what a person says, you do not carry the authority to judge them. Period.

Secondly if a person has salvation faith and (according to your own doctrine), lost that faith … then they are hardly likely to assert that faith in Jesus is real NOW, are they! What they would say is EXACTLY what FMF ...[text shortened]... t you don’t understand because is pisses you off that FMF once held the same faith you now hold?

Can you be a Christian without Christ? My whole point and argument!

@kellyjay said
Can you be a Christian without Christ? My whole point and argument!

I don't think you can be a Christian without faith in Christ.

@kellyjay said
Can you be a Christian without Christ? My whole point and argument!

I don’t think this has been the whole point of argument at all.

What has seemed to be the whole point of your argument is to discredit the testimony of someone who once had faith and has since lost it. And your motivation for this appalling behaviour seems to be your petty pride in not wanting to acknowledge that someone whom you don’t like very much has a valid experience of migrating from no faith, to having faith, to losing faith.

@fmf said
I don't think you can be a Christian without faith in Christ.

That is not what I said, and it is how you change my meaning consistently to suit
you, however. Without Christ, there are no real Christians that would turn it into an
acceptance of something untrue. Since Christ is a reality independent of our beliefs
about Him for good or not, denying Him as never having a real part in one's life
only shows He was never there to begin with, even with His acknowledgment at
one point in time is now denied later, the denial if true acknowledges Christ was
not ever there, because the denial says He is not here in our lives now, therefore
never was at any other point.

Faith in anything does not create the reality it accepts except in our minds, but if
something is true or not doesn't change if we believe it or not. I believe you when
you say you once accepted Him, but all that was and all you have now are beliefs
about Him, never the reality of Him.

@divegeester said
I don’t think this has been the whole point of argument at all.

What has seemed to be the whole point of your argument is to discredit the testimony of someone who once had faith and has since lost it. And your motivation for this appalling behaviour seems to be your petty pride in not wanting to acknowledge that someone whom you don’t like very much has a valid experience of migrating from no faith, to having faith, to losing faith.

I'm more aware of my points than you between the two of us. I acknowledge he
says he once believed; no one I know has ever denied that! But you cannot say
Christ is not real and cannot be a reality in our lives because everything about Jesus is
only a belief in our heads about Him, and say, I once walked with Jesus too. I once
walked with Jesus, which is now denied, showed it was never real with the
confession being made today, and saying it is all just belief; not reality, says the
same thing. The earlier belief that is now denied could have never been real; only
fiction acknowledged nothing more.

@kellyjay said
That is not what I said, and it is how you change my meaning consistently to suit
you, however.

I didn't change your meaning. I looked at what you posted, didn't edit it, quoted it verbatim, and then posted something that conveyed my meaning. It's called disagreeing.

@kellyjay said
Without Christ, there are no real Christians that would turn it into an
acceptance of something untrue.

One cannot be a Christian without faith in Christ. That's why, while I used to be a Christian, like you still are, I am not a Christian anymore.

@kellyjay said
Since Christ is a reality independent of our beliefs
about Him for good or not, denying Him as never having a real part in one's life
only shows He was never there to begin with.

If Christ is "a reality independent of our beliefs", as you claim, then surely you think he was a reality when I believed in him, and, therefore, according to your beliefs, my faith was real, and that isn’t affected by what I believe now because, as you yourself claim, "Christ is a reality independent of [my] beliefs"