Spirituality
30 Apr 22
13 May 22
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@fmf saidAccountless times I said, yes, and so what! My point has all to do with your current
I am an agnostic atheist, KellyJay. At the very least, I mentioned it on a thread in 2008. Didn't you read that post?
stance related to your previous one, which you rejected. Christianity is Christ
with us, not believing in Jesus only, but having Him Lord and Savior in-person in
our flesh, our bodies. You say you don't believe in Him, but back then, yes, that
did not make you a Christian even if you said you believed in Him today without
Christ in you! When Jesus rose from the dead, He was walking around for 40 days,
and the only people He revealed Himself to were His; if you are not His, if you do
not have the Spirit of God within, I don't care what you call yourself back then or
right now.
13 May 22
@kellyjay saidMy current stance is different from my stance back then, when, because I had strong faith, I believed Christ was "in" me, just as you describe [and just as you believe he is "in" you now].
My point has all to do with your current
stance related to your previous one, which you rejected. Christianity is Christ
with us, not believing in Jesus only, but having Him Lord and Savior in-person in
our flesh, our bodies.
That's why I was a Christian. The fact I am no longer a Christian does not alter the fact that I was a Christian back then.
Furthermore, you must surely believe that I was right back then to believe that Christ was "in" me.
13 May 22
@kellyjay saidOn the contrary, I think you do care. Desperately so.
When Jesus rose from the dead, He was walking around for 40 days,and the only people He revealed Himself to were His; if you are not His, if you donot have the Spirit of God within, I don't care what you call yourself back then orright now.
13 May 22
@kellyjay saidIf I asked you to do something and you did it because I asked would that be supernatural?
I believe God’s desire is to have everyone come to know Him, but He chooses us to go for Him and share. If I asked you to do something and you did it because I asked would that be supernatural?
No, of course not. Are you trying to take the piss with regard to what the word "supernatural" means?
You are not a supernatural being and neither am I.
So, your sidestep is duly noted. Once again: do you believe there is any supernatural influence directing you in your efforts to converse with me about the nature of faith?
By "directing you in your efforts", I am referring to the arguments you use, your intellectual behaviour, your emotions, etc.
@fmf saidYou called yourself a Christian, but as your so willing to declare now that was just
My current stance is different from my stance back then, when, because I had strong faith, I believed Christ was "in" me, just as you describe [and just as you believe he is "in" you now].
That's why I was a Christian. The fact I am no longer a Christian does not alter the fact that I was a Christian back then.
Furthermore, you must surely believe that I was right back then to believe that Christ was "in" me.
between your ears, what makes someone a Christian is Christ; you denied Him
then and you deny Him now.
13 May 22
@fmf saidThis world is the only one you have ever touched, and it is all you have ever known.
If I asked you to do something and you did it because I asked would that be supernatural?
No, of course not. Are you trying to take the piss with regard to what the word "supernatural" means?
You are not a supernatural being and neither am I.
So, your sidestep is duly noted. Once again: do you believe there is any supernatural influence directing you in your effo ...[text shortened]... efforts", I am referring to the arguments you use, your intellectual behaviour, your emotions, etc.
Unless you do turn to Jesus, this is it.
13 May 22
@kellyjay saidI called myself a Christian for exactly the same reason as you do. Presumably, you believe that I was right back then to believe [1] that Christ was real, and [2] that Christ was "in" me.
You called yourself a Christian, but as your so willing to declare now that was just
between your ears, what makes someone a Christian is Christ; you denied Him
then and you deny Him now.
13 May 22
@kellyjay saidBut this makes nonsense of what you believe, KellyJay... unless you believe that losing my faith means that Jesus is not real, too [like I now do]. I did "turn to Jesus". Surely you believe I was right to do so?
This world is the only one you have ever touched, and it is all you have ever known.Unless you do turn to Jesus, this is it.
13 May 22
@fmf saidBut @divegeester judges people here all the time. He has no room to call people out for "judging" orhers.
They are talking about my standing with the Christian God. You really should read the conversations before you rock up spitting chips.
I've not heard divegeester profess to judge anyone's standing with the Christian God. So I don't think your accusation that he is an "utter hypocrite" holds any water.
Your piffle is not what my post was about, sorry-not-sorry.