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@suzianne said
You utter hypocrite.

What about people not adhering to your bizarro dogma? You judge them day and night without surcease nor remorse.
I couldn’t care less wether people agree with me or not, so your point that I’m a hypocrite is just your spite showing.

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@kellyjay said
I said yes to that countless times and it was and more than likely still going over your head. For him it is all between the ears, which meant all he needed to do was change his mind. What he confesses is there is nothing of substance in that confession beyond the confession, and I am saying without Christ it doesn’t matter what your profession is, you can claim to be a Christian and still miss the Lord!
Are you really this thick!?

So you believe FMF when he tells you that during the period when he was a practicing Christian he believed was saved… right?

But you also simultaneously don’t think he was saved then because now he has lost his faith he denies it was real in the first place… right?

So let’s shorten this:
FMF was never saved years ago …because now he’s an apostate HE doesn’t think he was saved.

You really are a blithering fool aren’t you.

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@divegeester said
Are you really this thick!?

So you believe FMF when he tells you that during the period when he was a practicing Christian he believed was saved… right?

But you also simultaneously don’t think he was saved then because now he has lost his faith he denies it was real in the first place… right?

So let’s shorten this:
FMF was never saved years ago …because now he’s an apostate HE doesn’t think he was saved.

You really are a blithering fool aren’t you.
You have no clue! There is no other way to say how screwed up your assessment of this discussion is off base. 20 pages and you still do not grasp the issues.

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@kellyjay said
You are disputing the reality of Christ stop being obtuse.
I am an agnostic atheist, KellyJay. At the very least, I mentioned it on a thread in 2008. Didn't you read that post?

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@fmf said
I am an agnostic atheist, KellyJay. At the very least, I mentioned it on a thread in 2008. Didn't you read that post?
Accountless times I said, yes, and so what! My point has all to do with your current
stance related to your previous one, which you rejected. Christianity is Christ
with us, not believing in Jesus only, but having Him Lord and Savior in-person in
our flesh, our bodies. You say you don't believe in Him, but back then, yes, that
did not make you a Christian even if you said you believed in Him today without
Christ in you! When Jesus rose from the dead, He was walking around for 40 days,
and the only people He revealed Himself to were His; if you are not His, if you do
not have the Spirit of God within, I don't care what you call yourself back then or
right now.

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@kellyjay said
My point has all to do with your current
stance related to your previous one, which you rejected. Christianity is Christ
with us, not believing in Jesus only, but having Him Lord and Savior in-person in
our flesh, our bodies.
My current stance is different from my stance back then, when, because I had strong faith, I believed Christ was "in" me, just as you describe [and just as you believe he is "in" you now].

That's why I was a Christian. The fact I am no longer a Christian does not alter the fact that I was a Christian back then.

Furthermore, you must surely believe that I was right back then to believe that Christ was "in" me.

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@kellyjay said
When Jesus rose from the dead, He was walking around for 40 days,and the only people He revealed Himself to were His; if you are not His, if you donot have the Spirit of God within, I don't care what you call yourself back then orright now.
On the contrary, I think you do care. Desperately so.

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@kellyjay said
I believe God’s desire is to have everyone come to know Him, but He chooses us to go for Him and share. If I asked you to do something and you did it because I asked would that be supernatural?
If I asked you to do something and you did it because I asked would that be supernatural?

No, of course not. Are you trying to take the piss with regard to what the word "supernatural" means?

You are not a supernatural being and neither am I.

So, your sidestep is duly noted. Once again: do you believe there is any supernatural influence directing you in your efforts to converse with me about the nature of faith?

By "directing you in your efforts", I am referring to the arguments you use, your intellectual behaviour, your emotions, etc.

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@fmf said
My current stance is different from my stance back then, when, because I had strong faith, I believed Christ was "in" me, just as you describe [and just as you believe he is "in" you now].

That's why I was a Christian. The fact I am no longer a Christian does not alter the fact that I was a Christian back then.

Furthermore, you must surely believe that I was right back then to believe that Christ was "in" me.
You called yourself a Christian, but as your so willing to declare now that was just
between your ears, what makes someone a Christian is Christ; you denied Him
then and you deny Him now.

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@fmf said
If I asked you to do something and you did it because I asked would that be supernatural?

No, of course not. Are you trying to take the piss with regard to what the word "supernatural" means?

You are not a supernatural being and neither am I.

So, your sidestep is duly noted. Once again: do you believe there is any supernatural influence directing you in your effo ...[text shortened]... efforts", I am referring to the arguments you use, your intellectual behaviour, your emotions, etc.
This world is the only one you have ever touched, and it is all you have ever known.
Unless you do turn to Jesus, this is it.

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@kellyjay said
You called yourself a Christian, but as your so willing to declare now that was just
between your ears, what makes someone a Christian is Christ; you denied Him
then and you deny Him now.
I called myself a Christian for exactly the same reason as you do. Presumably, you believe that I was right back then to believe [1] that Christ was real, and [2] that Christ was "in" me.

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@kellyjay said
This world is the only one you have ever touched, and it is all you have ever known.Unless you do turn to Jesus, this is it.
But this makes nonsense of what you believe, KellyJay... unless you believe that losing my faith means that Jesus is not real, too [like I now do]. I did "turn to Jesus". Surely you believe I was right to do so?

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@kellyjay said
This world is the only one you have ever touched, and it is all you have ever known.
Well, we could say the same about you. "Turning to Jesus" is part and parcel of "this world" for billions of people.

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@FMF

How many of your kids have died, and what kind of jackass would try to undermine someone else's faith that they might see their dead kid again, in your view?

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@fmf said
They are talking about my standing with the Christian God. You really should read the conversations before you rock up spitting chips.

I've not heard divegeester profess to judge anyone's standing with the Christian God. So I don't think your accusation that he is an "utter hypocrite" holds any water.
But @divegeester judges people here all the time. He has no room to call people out for "judging" orhers.

Your piffle is not what my post was about, sorry-not-sorry.

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