@galveston75 saidYou busted into this thread to essentially spray-paint the place with irrelevant scripture graffiti. That seems to me like a desperate cry for attention, not to mention rude as hell.
Nope... you are wrong there buddy. True it is rare, but not always.
@galveston75 saidThat's why Proverbs has also been called not "A Collection of Wisdom", but " A Collection of Collections of Wisdom".
Really? So God was not wise but created it for man? You know that makes no sense?
So yes Solomon who wrote most of the Proverbs. At Proverbs 1:1 it says: “The proverbs of Solomon the son of David, the king of Israel.”
Then again, at Proverbs 10:1, it says: “Proverbs of Solomon.”
And again at Proverbs 25:1, it states: “These also are the proverbs of Solomon.
...[text shortened]... says: “The words of Lemuel the king, the weighty message that his mother gave to him in correction.”
Your nitpicking is starting to get to me though.
@galveston75 saidYes, he was begotten.
@Suzianne
So just to make sure of your belief is that Jesus was not created? Is that correct?
That's why they say, "Begotten, not made."
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
Wrong my friend.
STUDY ARTICLE 19, 2019.
Love and Justice in the Face of Wickedness:
"7 A sin against the secular authorities. Christians are to “be in subjection to the superior authorities.” (Rom. 13:1) We prove our subjection by showing due respect for the laws of the land. If someone in the congregation becomes guilty of violating a criminal law, such as by committing child abuse, he is sinning against the secular authorities. (Compare Acts 25:8.) While the elders are not authorized to enforce the law of the land, they do not shield any perpetrator of child abuse from the legal consequences of his sin. (Rom. 13:4) The sinner reaps what he has sown.—Gal. 6:7.
13 Do elders comply with secular laws about reporting an allegation of child abuse to the secular authorities? Yes. In places where such laws exist, elders endeavor to comply with secular laws about reporting allegations of abuse. (Rom. 13:1) Such laws do not conflict with God’s law. (Acts 5:28, 29) So when they learn of an allegation, elders immediately seek direction on how they can comply with laws about reporting it.
14 Elders assure victims and their parents and others with knowledge of the matter that they are free to report an allegation of abuse to the secular authorities. But what if the report is about someone who is a part of the congregation and the matter then becomes known in the community? Should the Christian who reported it feel that he has brought reproach on God’s name? No. The abuser is the one who brings reproach on God’s name."
Have you learned something today?
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@Soothfast saidThere is also the noticeable twang of fear, repressed religious doubt and a hyperactive brainwashing that stifles free thinking and the ability to address a topic outside of the watchtower.
You busted into this thread to essentially spray-paint the place with irrelevant scripture graffiti. That seems to me like a desperate cry for attention, not to mention rude as hell.
@Suzianne
Thanks....
"The Greek word is defined by lexicographers (Thayer; Liddell and Scott) as meaning “single of its kind, only,” or “the only member of a kin or kind.” The term is used in describing the relation of both sons and daughters to their parents."
So this does apply to Jesus, but how and when did he come into existence?
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@galveston75 saidI've learned that you flip flop in what you preach having said previously here that you thought an elder of your church most likely would not report an incident of child abuse to the authorities.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
Wrong my friend.
STUDY ARTICLE 19, 2019.
Love and Justice in the Face of Wickedness:
"7 A sin against the secular authorities. Christians are to “be in subjection to the superior authorities.” (Rom. 13:1) We prove our subjection by showing due respect for the laws of the land. If someone in the congregation becomes guilty of violating a cr ...[text shortened]... No. The abuser is the one who brings reproach on God’s name."
Have you learned something today?
Have you simply forgotten you said that?
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@galveston75
Found it. This is what you posted:
@galveston75 said
The elders probably would not call the authorities, but it can happen.
How is that in accordance with STUDY ARTICLE 19, 2019?
Edit: Oh dear, hoisted by your own petard.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
Why I'm even going to try I have no idea. You are out for blood no matter what I say. Right?
In my previous answer did I say they positively would never call in the police? Huh?
Do you need me to explain what the info I just posted says? Read it again and try to see the process that may happen BUT it all depends on the situation.
An easy example would be if lets say the parents of a child that had been molested say they will handle the situation themselves and would prefer that the elders do not contact the police.
So should the elders carry this beyond that and go ahead and make that call?
Do you get it? Every situation is completely different so each one is dealt with differently...............
I'm assuming you are a grown human that can think a bit and come to a logical conclusion?
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@galveston75 saidYou said 'the elders probably would not call the authorities, but it can happen.'
In my previous answer did I say they positively would never call in the police? Huh?
That very much sounds like contacting the authorities to alert about a child molester was a rare occurrence and was not the norm. Do you disagree with that or were your words poorly chosen?
And aren't your elders meant to lead by example? Aren't they meant to protect the innocent? Disfellowship alone doesn't do that, doesn't protect the wider society.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
You want nothing more then to argue. You can take what I've said anyway you want.
@Suzianne
"TO THE congregation at Colossae, Asia Minor, the apostle Paul wrote concerning Jesus Christ, according to the Common Biblea: “He is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation; for in him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.”—Col. 1:15-17.
Colossians 1:15 - 1:17 - King James Bible Online
www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Colossians-1-15_1-17
Colossians Chapter 1 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Colossians 1:15–17 KJB
15 iHe is the image of jthe invisible God, kthe firstborn of all creation. 16 For by1 him all things were created, lin heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether mthrones or ndominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created othrough him and for him. 17 And phe is before all things, and in him all things qhold together.
All of these bibles as well as many more say that Jesus was created????? Right?
So this and in fact all of the bible does not teach the trinity which is not a bible teaching but is in fact one that originated in Babylon. It was later injected into the Christian church a few hundred years after Jesus died and was forced into the church to stop all the divisions that evolved just as was foretold.
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@galveston75 saidI'll take it as you said it.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
You want nothing more then to argue. You can take what I've said anyway you want.
"the elders probably would not call the authorities, but it can happen.'
Hardly a ringing endorsement of their proactivity in preventing abusers, from their church, from going on to abuse other victims.
@galveston75 saidYou have learned nothing.
@Suzianne
"TO THE congregation at Colossae, Asia Minor, the apostle Paul wrote concerning Jesus Christ, according to the Common Biblea: “He is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation; for in him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or authorities—all things were cr ...[text shortened]... sus died and was forced into the church to stop all the divisions that evolved just as was foretold.
We've been over this a million times, and before you, I went over this a million times with Robbie Carrobie.
Firstborn, as used in this passage -- wait, let me get out the KJV:
"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
"For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
"And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
"And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence."
-- Colossians 1:15-18, KJV (Bolding mine)
Firstborn, as used in this passage, means preeminent.
pre·em·i·nent
/prēˈemən(ə)nt/
adjective: preeminent
surpassing all others; very distinguished in some way.
"the world's preeminent expert on asbestos"
Similar: greatest, leading, foremost, best, finest, chief, outstanding
"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:"
followed immediately by:
"For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence."
The actual word preeminence ends an entire paragraph talking about how he IS preeminent.
Even if one takes what you say at face value (the simplest way for those who do not understand "preeminence" ), it does say firstborn, not created. Born has so much more in common with the word begot than created, except it carries the full meaning of "coming from the same source" as one's Father.