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05 Jul 11
Originally posted by RJHindsVery well. I work two jobs and it might be a few days, but I will post on this section of the sermon. But from the outset I'll just say that I doubt you're grasping the full radical nature of Jesus' Sermon on the Mount.
You pontificate on and on, but provide no proof that my understanding
is wrong and yours is right. I am waiting............
06 Jul 11
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieGet his book and you will find out. It will be good for you.
lol, i know, like lets offer up incense to an effigy of his image and start chanting his name!
Here you will find books written by this author.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=ntt_athr_dp_sr_1?_encoding=UTF8&sort=relevancerank&search-alias=books&field-author=Robert%20M.%20Bowman%20Jr.
06 Jul 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhy must you be so intent on proving that I am a sinner?
you have been found, not only be me, but by others to have transgressed the admonition of the Christ by terming others idiots. It is quite clear as badwater has pointed out. Why are you failing to acknowledge your sin? Keeping it bottled up will not help you RJH, we are counselled to freely confess our sins that we can gain forgiveness and repair o ...[text shortened]... idiots in the way that you have, but it can be sorted, if you would only confess your iniquity.
Do you have guilt feelings yourself?
Is that the reason?
06 Jul 11
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Originally posted by RJHindsYour wrong. Please read:
Of course, the source is Jesus.
John 5:24-29
Common English Bible (CEB)
24 “I assure you that whoever hears my word and believes in the one who sent me has eternal life and won’t come under judgment but has passed from death into life.
25 “I assure you that the time is coming—and is here!—when the dead will hear the voice of God’s Son, and those who hear it will live. 26 Just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself. 27 He gives the Son authority to judge, because he is the Human One.[a] 28 Don’t be surprised by this, because the time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice. 29 Those who did good things will come out into the resurrection of life, and those who did wicked things into the resurrection of judgment.
I hope your able to see and understand these points here. It says in verse 26 that the authority or ability to give life and judge was given to him by his Father. This would apply to jesus when he was on earth and when in heaven. Now according to the trinity theory all 3 in the trinity are all equal in power. If so then why does Jesus have to be "given" this authority or ability by one of the other parts? Why wouldn't he already have the authority to do this if he were truly equal? Why does the Holy Spirit not resurrect?
Acts 10:42
Common English Bible (CEB)
42 He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead.
Again I hope you see and understand this. This is confirming that Jesus was given this authority to Judge the living and dead. He could not do this without this "given" authority. If he was equal to God or part of him in this triad, why would he not be able to do this without it being given to him?
06 Jul 11
Originally posted by galveston75I have been explaining for several days that a triad is different from
Your wrong. Please read:
John 5:24-29
Common English Bible (CEB)
24 “I assure you that whoever hears my word and believes in the one who sent me has eternal life and won’t come under judgment but has passed from death into life.
25 “I assure you that the time is coming—and is here!—when the dead will hear the voice of God’s Son, and those wh ...[text shortened]... rt of him in this triad, why would he not be able to do this without it being given to him?
a trinity and you are so dense you still use the term. Again a triad
is a group of 3 gods. A trinity is ONE God.
The reason you have a misunderstanding of the things you just posted
about is because you don't understand God as a trinity.
06 Jul 11
Originally posted by RJHindsCould you please explain these scriptures that show Jesus is not God and get's his authority from him.
I have been explaining for several days that a triad is different from
a trinity and you are so dense you still use the term. Again a triad
is a group of 3 gods. A trinity is ONE God.
The reason you have a misunderstanding of the things you just posted
about is because you don't understand God as a trinity.
06 Jul 11
Originally posted by menace71I only worship Jehovah God as Jesus here commanded. Jesus deserves deep respect and honor for what he did for us, but he is not God and even refused to be worshipped as God.
If Jesus came in all of His Power and Glory G-75 you will indeed bow to Him and worship Him.
Manny
Matthew 4:8-10
New Century Version (NCV)
8 Then the devil led Jesus to the top of a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and all their splendor.9 The devil said, "If you will bow down and worship me, I will give you all these things."
10 Jesus said to the devil, "Go away from me, Satan! It is written in the Scriptures, 'You must worship the Lord your God and serve only him.' "[a]
06 Jul 11
Originally posted by galveston75It has been explained to you guys before. You keep using circular reasoning
Could you please explain these scriptures that show Jesus is not God and get's his authority from him.
so it is doubtful if explaining it again will get through that thick skull of yours.
Your refusal to see God as a Trinity is your big stumbling block. Yahshua is
both man and God. Reread Philippians 2:5-11, which explains that although
Yahshua was God, He humbled Himself to become as a man obedient to God
and suffered death on the cross and therefore God the Father, likewise,
humbled Himself by exalting Yahshua above Himself so that at the name of
Yahshua every knee should bow and every tongue should confess that
Yahshua is Lord. Yahshua is Lord, Yahshua is Lord, Yahshua is Lord!!!
06 Jul 11
Originally posted by RJHindsI understand it’s tempting for any theist to try to explain the nature of the Ineffable Existence described by the Tetragrammaton -and deep down I’m fully convinced that any such an attempt is loss of time: for one, such an existence cannot be proved. And for two, if the Christian God is indeed an existent supernatural entity, there is no way to know her/ his physis, therefore everything regarding this matter is pure speculation based on somebody else’s “authority” or “revelation” (simply because the existence of God still cannot be proved). Leaving aside the fact that I reject all the so called “authoritative” views as pure delusions (to me, Gen. 18 and Gen. 32 are bonkers), I see no justification of the Christian Trinitarians’ obsession regarding the so called “three persons of God”. The Christian Godhead cannot be divided so that the Father is one person, the Son/ Jesus is a second person, and then the Ruach (Spirit) is a third person. You are lost in the translation. Where exactly did you read in your Holy Book that YHVH is divided up into three persons? If you did, quote the verse;
The idea of the triune God is throughout the Old Testament and
it was not spoken of clearly until Jesus revealed it. However,
apparently, Trikaya, also was not spoken of clearly until the 4th
century CE. And it is still not clear to me how you see it as a
pagan root to the Christian Trinity, especially since God existed
as a Triune God long before there was a Buddha.
On the other hand, Trikaya was a fully developed doctrine used by all the Buddhist schools, as I explained you at my first post at this thread. During the 4th century the Buddhists merely decided to use the same term (Trikaya) in order to ensure homogenity and a common term in their teachings regarding this core belief.
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06 Jul 11
Originally posted by RJHindsEdit: "And it is still... ...a Buddha."
The idea of the triune God is throughout the Old Testament and
it was not spoken of clearly until Jesus revealed it. However,
apparently, Trikaya, also was not spoken of clearly until the 4th
century CE. And it is still not clear to me how you see it as a
pagan root to the Christian Trinity, especially since God existed
as a Triune God long before there was a Buddha.
Again:
The trikayan concept was known to Plato, who re-offered it at his Platonism. The Christian Trinity is based in full on the functionality of the Platonist Trinity although Platonism and the Christian theology are not identical. Therefore I evaluate the Christian Trinity as a meta-concept rooted on pagan beliefs
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06 Jul 11
Originally posted by black beetleThe trinity as adopted by Christianity is indeed of pagan origin and from a Christian viewpoint completely erroneous when considering the Godhead. The JW side-step interpretation of a Christian having of 2 'Saviours' is erroneous also.
Edit: "And it is still... ...a Buddha."
Again:
The trikayan concept was known to Plato, who re-offered it at his Platonism. The Christian Trinity is based in full on the functionality of the Platonist Trinity although Platonism and the Christian theology are not identical. Therefore I evaluate the Christian Trinity as a meta-concept rooted on pagan beliefs
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