Panspermia

Originally posted by FabianFnas
Okay, I see. I't not a theory of it's own merits then...?

I looked it up at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia
Does this article describe your thoughts, or do you dispute any part of it? Of so, which part?
How about the "Objections to panspermia and exogenesis" part, do you agree or disagree?

Panspermia,as in seeding of the Earth by outer space 'seeds' is just part of my contention. I looked up the wiki reference and dont really know which parts I agree with. What do you think?

I was thinking more along the lines that 'aliens' had intervened at some point in human history and somehow 'upgraded' our brains and hence our capacity for greater conciousness.
(I'm very groggy)

Originally posted by rwingett
He means that while it addresses OUR origins, it doesn't address the origin of the aliens. It doesn't address the ultimate origin of everything. It merely pushes it back a step. Of course, his god suffers from the same problem, which he seems unwilling to recognize. Who created the aliens? Who created god? If god can be eternal and uncreated, then why can't the universe itself?

Thanks for clearing that up. You see, you finally are beginning to understand me. In fact, it almost brings me to tears. :'(

As for the origin of God, I would say that God created time. Of course, the very definition of time implies a beginning so to say that time had not beginning is simply ridiculous to me. As the Bible states, Christ is the beginning and the end, the Alpha and Omega. The only solution to the mystery is for a beginning to have been created. It is then that time begins as well as the mystery.

Of course, for us an existence apart from this material universe with time as a demension is unfathomable. We simply have no point of reference to relate to such an existence. However, that does not mean it is impossible.

Originally posted by rwingett
[b]I don't buy into your panspermia theory. Nor do I think scriptures are useful for obtaining an accurate version of history.

Biblical Archeaologists may have something to say about that. 😉

Originally posted by karoly aczel
Panspermia,as in seeding of the Earth by outer space 'seeds' is just part of my contention. I looked up the wiki reference and dont really know which parts I agree with. What do you think?

I was thinking more along the lines that 'aliens' had intervened at some point in human history and somehow 'upgraded' our brains and hence our capacity for greater conciousness.
(I'm very groggy)

This is what I think of the pansperimia theory:

Seeded by aliens? No, that part I don't believe at all.
That the first life came from space? Well, no, probably not.

We have found fossilized life in rocks 3850 million of years old. That was not long after the earth was cooled down to a level that life can tolerate. From where would life have come? From Mars? No. From another solar system? If so, then there would be life in dust everywhere in space. This life would have 'infected' Earth several times, over and over again, not only in the Earths childhood. Has it? No, I don't think so.

The idea of Panspermia is not appealing to me. I say, I don't think so.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
This is what I think of the pansperimia theory:

Seeded by aliens? No, that part I don't believe at all.
That the first life came from space? Well, no, probably not.

We have found fossilized life in rocks 3850 million of years old. That was not long after the earth was cooled down to a level that life can tolerate. From where would life have come? F ...[text shortened]... don't think so.

The idea of Panspermia is not appealing to me. I say, I don't think so.

Thats cool . I really dont expect it to be appealing on just face value...

Consider this then: Why does the Earth maintain such a perfect equilibrium between hot and cold. Or Rain and dry for example. (Is there a reason why some cultures do rain dances for the gods?)

I believe the Earth is kept in this perfect postition of equilibrium by some outside agency and not just mere luck.
Didn't Darwin even admit that although his theories were quite plausible, the likelihood of them manifesting the way they did are millions to 1. Or something like that?

Originally posted by karoly aczel
Never seen the X-files.
C'mon give me a bit more credit than that.

Actually it subtracts from your credit if you haven't seen the X-files. The problem is that you seem to believe a whole lot of things about aliens that originated in fairly well known fiction.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
This life would have 'infected' Earth several times, over and over again, not only in the Earths childhood. Has it? No, I don't think so.

You don't think so, but you have zero evidence either way, yet you state it as a point in your favor. We don't even have any evidence about how often life emerges on our own planet. It could have arisen many many times and we wouldn't be any the wiser.
I think it is perfectly possible that life could survive from one planet to another, though I find there is no reason to think the chance that it did is very high. You also say life could not have come from Mars. Why is that? Did mars cool later than the earth?

Originally posted by karoly aczel
Thats cool . I really dont expect it to be appealing on just face value...

Consider this then: Why does the Earth maintain such a perfect equilibrium between hot and cold. Or Rain and dry for example. (Is there a reason why some cultures do rain dances for the gods?)

I believe the Earth is kept in this perfect postition of equilibrium by some outs the likelihood of them manifesting the way they did are millions to 1. Or something like that?

"Why does the Earth maintain such a perfect equilibrium between hot and cold. Or Rain and dry for example."

It doesn't. On the long run the Earth has been thrown from extreme cold and extreme hot. It has been thrown from extreme dryness to extreme rain. It's life that have the quality of adapt itself. Those species that lacked that adaptability became extinct.

But in the short run everything seems to be in perfect stable order. But, if you think of it, now we're living in an interglacial. Not long ago there was ice age. Not long from now we will have a warmth period. Or another ice age. The Neanderthal got extinct, in the near future the panda will go extinct (because lack of their natural habitat, and their specialization of bamboo eating). What about man himself? Will we have a prosperous future, or will our culture go to its end and throw us back to the stone age, or further?

No, the environment is not stable, the life is adaptable.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
"Why does the Earth maintain such a perfect equilibrium between hot and cold. Or Rain and dry for example."

It doesn't. On the long run the Earth has been thrown from extreme cold and extreme hot. It has been thrown from extreme dryness to extreme rain. It's life that have the quality of adapt itself. Those species that lacked that adaptability became ...[text shortened]... to the stone age, or further?

No, the environment is not stable, the life is adaptable.

But the enviroment is stable, within very well constructed boundaries, for a time. what is this 'stable' time for? Do you consider all this just mere chance? Well , do you?

Originally posted by twhitehead
Actually it subtracts from your credit if you haven't seen the X-files. The problem is that you seem to believe a whole lot of things about aliens that originated in fairly well known fiction.

Do you know where Star - Trek came from?
An'alien' implanted something into Gene Rodenberrys head one night and the next morning he came up with the idea (for Star-Trek).
Proof? My world and universal view is all I need for proof of such stories, for clearly Star-Trek has for a long time been leading the way in describing potential future existences for the masses. Some truly revolutionary stuff. And no, I dont have any problem with GR taking credit. That is not the point.
Hey Twhitehead, why not criticize some of my 'E.T. 101' thread?

Originally posted by karoly aczel
But the enviroment is stable, within very well constructed boundaries, for a time. what is this 'stable' time for? Do you consider all this just mere chance? Well , do you?

Within these boundaries the temperature is falling and rising, the humidity is falling and rising, the content of oxygene is falling and rising, of reaons dependant of the orbit of and axis of the Earth, the frequncy of solar spots, and a lot of other things. Those lifeforms not adapting is extinct, those that can adopt lives on.

Humans, as a specie is not old. We havn't experienced any major changes yet, but we will. The protohumans were very near extinctions, but we evolved into what we are, we adapted.

Now it is stable. And has been so for a limited period of time. But for longer periods of time it is not.

Originally posted by karoly aczel
Do you know where Star - Trek came from?
An'alien' implanted something into Gene Rodenberrys head one night and the next morning he came up with the idea (for Star-Trek).
Proof? My world and universal view is all I need for proof of such stories, for clearly Star-Trek has for a long time been leading the way in describing potential future existences ...[text shortened]... it. That is not the point.
Hey Twhitehead, why not criticize some of my 'E.T. 101' thread?

An'alien' implanted something into Gene Rodenberrys head one night and the next morning he came up with the idea (for Star-Trek).

Right on.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
Within these boundaries the temperature is falling and rising, the humidity is falling and rising, the content of oxygene is falling and rising, of reaons dependant of the orbit of and axis of the Earth, the frequncy of solar spots, and a lot of other things. Those lifeforms not adapting is extinct, those that can adopt lives on.

Humans, as a specie is ...[text shortened]... stable. And has been so for a limited period of time. But for longer periods of time it is not.

your view is valid. however you would have to admit there are quite a few anomolies that have 'come together at once' to present us with this current situation. (I will not list them. I'm sure you are intelligent enough to know what I mean. )
Any comments on 'E.T. 101' ?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
[b]An'alien' implanted something into Gene Rodenberrys head one night and the next morning he came up with the idea (for Star-Trek).

Right on.[/b]

This is the info I have. Dont for one sec think it sits comfortably with me. It doesn't. I am on a quest for 'truth' and this is where my research has lead me.

Originally posted by karoly aczel
But the enviroment is stable, within very well constructed boundaries, for a time. what is this 'stable' time for? Do you consider all this just mere chance? Well , do you?

But the enviroment is stable, within very well constructed boundaries, for a time. what is this 'stable' time for? Do you consider all this just mere chance? Well , do you?

Consider this. If you accept that the Earth is 6 billion years old, and modern man has been around for 200,000yrs. We have experienced 0.0000033333% of the Earths life. Which is nothing.

An analogy i heard once sums it up nice. If you take the life of the Earth to be one calender year, modern man came along a few seconds to midnight on New Years Eve of that year. Meaning we have experienced nothing of this planets life, and it's not hard to understand that we experience a stable environment for the moment. Even if the Earth's environment was to change dramitcally every 0.25% of it's life, we are still a long, long was from seeing it change.