Originally posted by FetchmyjunkA statement directed specifically to the Jews. If you read the whole thing it would be clear to you, particularly when the Bible speaks of so many that were righteous before God. Jesus said he would call the righteous into his Kingdom, and this was repeated by the Apostles as well. Righteous was defined by Jesus but you dont believe Jesus ... obviously.
Romans 3:10-12English Standard Version (ESV)
10 as it is written:
“None is righteous, no, not one;
11 no one understands;
no one seeks for God.
12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
no one does good,
not even one.”
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkYou know no thing of the thief on the cross. Jesus knows the heart of man and Jesus saves those who please him and if you read what pleases Jesus, you would be hardpressed to find anywhere that Jesus spoke of faith. His teachings is 99% good works and righteousness.
It is merely one example where someone was saved only due to their faith and not their works as far as I can tell.
No good works = ETERNAL DEATH.
17 Aug 16
Originally posted by Rajk999http://helpmewithbiblestudy.org/9Salvation/FaithNTThemesJesus.aspx
You know no thing of the thief on the cross. Jesus knows the heart of man and Jesus saves those who please him and if you read what pleases Jesus, you would be hardpressed to find anywhere that Jesus spoke of faith. His teachings is 99% good works and righteousness.
No good works = ETERNAL DEATH.
When speaking of "faith", Jesus meant a belief based on reality of His deity and the One prophesized by Moses and the Old Testament prophets. "Faith" was not a hypothetical abstraction.
"You men of little faith" (Matt 8:23-27; Mark 4:37-41; Luke 8:22-25)
While sailing across the Sea of Galilee, a sudden storm alarms the disciples who, fearful of drowning, awaken Jesus for help. Jesus rebukes them and calms the sea.
Despite demonstrating His power over the natural world by physical healing and the demonic world by exorcism, the disciples did not fully realize who Jesus was.
In stilling the storm, Jesus assumed the authority exercised only by God in the Old Testament (Ps 89:8-9; 106:8-9; 107:23-32), and causes the disciple to question, "Who is this?"
"You men of little faith" (Matt 16:5-12; Mark 8:16-21)
After leaving the Pharisees and Sadducees, Jesus warned the disciples about their teaching figuratively as "yeast." However, the disciples failed to understand this and thought He was referring to food which they had forgotten.
Despite experiencing the previous two miraculous feedings (Matt 14:13-21; 15:29-38; Mark 6:35-44; 8:1-9), the disciples failed to understand that Jesus was God. "Do you not see or understand? Do you have a hardened heart? Having eyes, do you not see? And having ears, do you not hear?" "Do you not yet understand?" The disciples failed to trust Jesus for the provision of food.
Jesus clearly spoke of "faith" as a belief in the reality of His deity. Miraculous events that were witnessed and experienced by the disciples corresponded to the truth that Jesus was God.
Common in many of the miracle healings that Jesus performed is His reference to the faith of the sick person or the petitioner for healing. While these saving acts were part of Jesus’ commission (John 7:1-12) and a witness of His deity, they confirmed an existing faith. What is it about the faith of these people that is worthy of Jesus’ comment?
The Centurion (Matt 8:5-13; Luke 7:2-10)
While imploring Jesus to heal his servant, the Centurion prevents Jesus from coming to his home, because of his unworthiness to have such a guest let alone even approach Him. In contrast, Jewish elders appealed to Jesus because they thought the Centurion worthy of Jesus’ help! But most importantly, the Centurion had no doubt that Jesus could heal by simply saying so.
Healing of the Paralytic (Matt 9:2-7; Mark 2:3-12; Luke 5:17-25)
Four men are determined to help their paralytic friend and go to extreme lengths to present their friend before Jesus; they knew their friend would be healed if only they could get him to Jesus. It was largely believed in the Jewish community that illness was a consequence of sin (Ps 41:4), so it was likely that they knew, at least in the back of their mind, that their friend’s sin(s) that caused the condition would be forgiven. Yet it was the teachers of the Law who considered Jesus’ pronouncement as blasphemy.
The woman who bled for 12 years (Matt 9:20-22; Mark 5:25-34; Luke 8:43-48)
Presuming that the woman, who bled for 12 years, suffered from some type of menstrual hemorrhage, she would have been considered unclean and anyone touching her would have been unclean (Lev 15:25-30). Yet she touched Jesus on the conviction that she would be healed.
When called out, she trembled with fear fell at His feet aware of what happened to her. She was made ceremoniously clean, which she knew only God could do; she knew Jesus was the Messiah.
Two blind men (Matt 9:27-30)
Two blind men follow Jesus (that must have been difficult!) and called out to Him by His messianic lineage "Son of David." When asked if they believed that Jesus could restore their sight, the blind men affirmed His deity, "yes, Lord."
Unbelief in Nazareth (Matt 13:54-58; Mark 6:1-6)
Jesus’ hometown failed to recognize His deity and refused to believe that the carpenter’s son was the Messiah. The wisdom shared by Jesus was disparaged, and He was seen as simply a peer. As the result few miracles were preformed there.
The Syrophoenician woman (Matt 15:22-28; Mark 7:25-30)
A Gentile woman whose daughter is possessed beseeches Jesus by identifying His deity and messianic lineage, "Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David…" She is perceptive enough to recognized demonization and the only way to exorcized it. Not only does she clearly know who Jesus is, but she is certainly aware of her position with Him. For that faith, her daughter is healed.
The demon possessed boy (Matt 17:14-21; Mark 9:17-27; Luke 9:38-43)
After the disciples failed to heal his son, a man falls to his knees and begs Jesus, "Lord, have mercy on my son,.." Jesus challenges the father’s faith, and he genuinely professes his faith in Jesus. The man additionally asks Jesus to help him with his weakness, and he witnesses the miracle. But Jesus’ real criticism about faith was directed towards His disciples who saw the power of exorcism as their own; they had forgotten the object of their faith.
The blind man Bartimaeus (Mark 10:46-52; Luke 18:35-43)
Bartimaeus pleads with Jesus and recognizes His messianic lineage used for the first time in the book of Mark. Bartimaeus expresses his genuine faith and trust in Jesus’ ability with "Rabboni," which means "my Lord, my Master." And his vision is restored.
The woman who washed His feet with her hair (Luke 7:40-50)
In the parable of the two debtors, the Pharisee Simon is contrasted with a sinful woman. Representing the debtor with the greatest debt, the woman stood behind Jesus and anointed His feet with perfume (instead of His head!). In respect and submission of His deity, she washes and kisses His feet. In stark contrast, the host and Pharisee Simon failed to offer even the most minimal courtesies to his guest. For her faith, she is saved.
Increase our faith! (Luke 17:1-10)
While no miracle occurs here, this incident does provide an insight as to Jesus’ concept of faith. In this discussion about sin, the apostles learn what forgiveness really means. Jesus’ concept of unlimited and complete forgiveness of a brother who repents is beyond their comprehension, "increase our faith!" Jesus points out that the issue is not about the quantity of faith but the kind of faith; just a little of the right kind. The disciples cannot completely forgive a brother by faith in their own ability but only through their faith in Jesus.
The subsequent story of the slave and his master (Luke 17:7-10) illustrates the attitude and position of the disciple in regard to Jesus and emphasizes the concept of grace.
The ten lepers (Luke 17:12-19)
Ten lepers call out for mercy, and Jesus, without touching them, instructs them to show themselves to the priests. On the way to the priests, all ten are healed! Yet only one, a Samaritan (descendant of mixed Jew and Gentile heritage), returns to prostrate himself and give thanks. The Samaritan recognized that Jesus was God and placed his faith in Him. The other nine, by implication, were Jews who were ungrateful and symbolic of the Jewish nation who rejected Him.
When Jesus speaks of "faith," it is a belief based on the fact that 1) He is the Messiah and 2) human beings recognize the truth about themselves.
Jesus recognized genuine faith when He observed people who understood the true nature of sin, recognized their unworthiness before God and sought His grace in forgiveness, because He was God.
When Jesus speaks of your "faith," it is in the context of its object and your attitude. Is Jesus your friend as a peer or as the King? And yet He is more concerned to ask for your faith than to demand it.
17 Aug 16
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkRead the truth from Jesus about who gets into the Kingdom of God:
http://helpmewithbiblestudy.org/9Salvation/FaithNTThemesJesus.aspx
When speaking of "faith", Jesus meant a belief based on reality of His deity and the One prophesized by Moses and the Old Testament prophets. "Faith" was not a hypothetical abstraction.
"You men of little faith" (Matt 8:23-27; Mark 4:37-41; Luke 8:22-25)
While sailing across the ...[text shortened]... as a peer or as the King? And yet He is more concerned to ask for your faith than to demand it.
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat:
I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink:
I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Naked, and ye clothed me:
I was sick, and ye visited me:
I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat:
was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
I was a stranger, and ye took me not in:
naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and
in prison, and ye visited me not.
Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. (Matthew 25:31-46 KJV)
17 Aug 16
Originally posted by Rajk999So we should ignore the other words that Jesus spoke and only base our beliefs on these particular words?
Read the truth from Jesus about who gets into the Kingdom of God:
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set ...[text shortened]... into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. (Matthew 25:31-46 KJV)
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkHow blind can you be? It is you that continue to ignore the words of Christ.
So we should ignore the other words that Jesus spoke and only base our beliefs on these particular words?
I must be the only Christian on this site that has constantly maintained that both faith and works ... BOTH .. or some combination of these two that will determine who gets eternal life. If you go by only what Jesus preached then the scales will weigh heavily in favour of works.
Christ will judge people, and some will enter the Kingdom of God with faith only, some with a combination of both and some with works only. The Bible contains support for all these types of people.
Christians generally preach faith only
Some preach that works with automatically follow when someone professes a belief in Christ [ something which I have not seen in the Bible]
Some Christians even say that the teachings of Christ have expired.
Open your eyes.
17 Aug 16
Originally posted by Rajk999What do you understand the words of Christ "No man comes to the Father except through me." to mean?
How blind can you be? It is you that continue to ignore the words of Christ.
I must be the only Christian on this site that has constantly maintained that both faith and works ... BOTH .. or some combination of these two that will determine who gets eternal life. If you go by only what Jesus preached then the scales will weigh heavily in favour of work ...[text shortened]... e Bible]
Some Christians even say that the teachings of Christ have expired.
Open your eyes.
17 Aug 16
Originally posted by Rajk999When did I say it means that? Does it mean that an atheist who denies the existence of God can get into Heaven with only 'good works'?
It certainly does not mean that Jesus wants people to call out his name and claim to believe and then proceed to disobey his commandments.
17 Aug 16
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkJesus equates the helping of the poor and needy to helping HIM.
I said lip service means nothing and faith without works is dead. And he that perseveres till the end will be saved.
Would Jesus forget an atheist that helps HIM??
Jesus will bring that atheist into his Kingdom.
Thats the way I understand the teachings of Christ.
The focus of his ministry is righteousness and good works.
Faith is good IF and only IF it makes you into a more righteous person zealous of good works
If you missed that then you need to reread the Bible.