Somebody help me...

Originally posted by KellyJay
So just so you know, had you had Christ in your life and you've thrown that
away. What do you think is before you now, according to scripture?

My reality is not affected by your scripture in any way. I do not subscribe to anything that it says is "before [me] now". I will leave regurgitating scripture to you.

Originally posted by FMF
I have said it repeatedly. Over and over and over and over again. I can scarcely believe that this latest discussion 'gambit' of yours is meant sincerely. When I was a Christian I believed I had Christ in my life. When I was a Christian I believed I had Christ in my life. When I was a Christian I believed I had Christ in my life. When I was a Christian I believed I had Christ in my life.

You kept saying you lost your faith! BIG deal was my response to that!
You claiming you had Jesus in your life, then reject Him, that is not the
same thing as saying you believed in God. I honestly don't know why
you think this is even a good thing, since if you believe scripture Hell is
now before you. What a prize.

Had you not had Christ in your life you'd at least have a chance to be saved.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay

You kept saying you lost your faith! BIG deal was my response to that!
You claiming you had Jesus in your life, then reject Him, that is not the
same thing as saying you believed in God. I honestly don't know why
you think this is even a good thing, since if you believe scripture Hell is
now before you.

I don't believe "Hell" is before me. I don't believe "Hell" is before you either. I don't believe "Hell" is before anyone. How many times have I told you: my beliefs have changed. My beliefs have changed. My beliefs have changed.

Originally posted by KellyJay
You claiming you had Jesus in your life, then reject Him, that is not the
same thing as saying you believed in God.

But I DID believe in God. And I DID believe I had Jesus in my life. How many times have I got to say the same things over and over again?

Originally posted by FMF
But I DID believe in God. And I DID believe I had Jesus in my life. How many times have I got to say the same things over and over again?

Did you have Jesus in your life, yes or no! If no than what you believed at
the time wasn't really real for you now was it? You deny it now, it is not real
now, you deny Christ is real now, so even though you BELIEVED you had
Jesus way back when, it could not have been real back then since you reject
it all now!

According to you, you know better now. Not calling you a liar for making
the claim you once believed. The scripture talks about those that were once
enlighten by the truth and turned their backs on it, if you never knew
Christ you were never enlighten by Him.

If you did know Him and rejected Him, than your future isn't a good one.
Kelly

Originally posted by FMF
But I DID believe in God. And I DID believe I had Jesus in my life. How many times have I got to say the same things over and over again?

I don't care that you did believe.
You reject it as being real now!
If it cannot be real now, it never could have been for you, even though you
once believed it.
So if what you believed turned out to be false, than the reality of it was
never real.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Did you have Jesus in your life, yes or no!

Like all Christians, I believed I did, yes.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Get it through you head, I believe you can fall away, I believe that can
happen!

He never claimed he had a relationship with God, he claimed he lost his
faith!

Those are two different things!
Kelly

Oh dear. I think you are just wriggling now.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Not calling you a liar for making the claim you once believed.

You have repeatedly called me a liar. Not once have calmed down and retracted it. It doesn't matter to me, really, but it makes you seem small.

Originally posted by FMF
Like all Christians, I believed I did, yes.

You have no clue how a Christian have Christ in their life! What you had was
so unworthy of belief it was rejected! If you are going to answer that
question, I suggest you speak for yourself not others.
Kelly

Originally posted by FMF
You have repeatedly called me a liar. Not once have calmed down and retracted it. It doesn't matter to me, really, but it makes you seem small.

I'm interested in the truth, if my questions make me seem small so be it.
Believe it or not, you are really the one I'm concern about!
If you really were enlighten by God, and rejected it, there is no hope for you
other than a devil's hell. Since you seem to dodge actually saying you really
had God, I believe you never really did. What you are doing instead is very
back handed, make the claim you were just like all the other Christians, in
your mind they all must be wrong and always were. If they actually have
God, if Jesus is actually saves, then you were never like other Christians.
Kelly

Originally posted by FMF
You have repeatedly called me a liar. Not once have calmed down and retracted it. It doesn't matter to me, really, but it makes you seem small.

It seems that while Kelly believes that a Christian can "fall away" as substantiated by him quoting the scripture from Hebrews, it also seems that for some reason he will not allow FMF's experience to fall into that category. I find it quite strange.

Originally posted by KellyJay
You have no clue how a Christian have Christ in their life! What you had was so unworthy of belief it was rejected! If you are going to answer that
question, I suggest you speak for yourself not others.

I do speak for myself. And I was a Christian for twenty eight years. During those years I met hundreds of my Christian brothers and sisters. So I know something about Christians ~ and this fact is unaffected by you blurting out "You have no clue...". Like all Christians, I believed I had Jesus in my life. How could they call themselves Christian if they didn't?

Originally posted by divegeester
I find it quite strange.

It's some kind of strutting, I reckon.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Believe it or not, you are really the one I'm concern about!

Calling me a "liar" because my perceptions and experience do not exactly match yours makes you seem ~ spiritually speaking ~ so small and partisan. Is that all you've got when it all boils down: calling me a "liar" for telling you I was a Christian for nearly three decades?