Spirituality
02 Aug 14
10 Aug 14
Originally posted by KellyJaySo do you then concede that FMF could have "fallen away"?
As I pointed out the warnings in scripture are very clear:
The Peril of Falling Away
Hebrews 6:
6 Therefore leaving the elementary teaching about the Christ, let us press on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 of instruction about washings and laying on of hands, and the resurrection o ...[text shortened]... lds thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.
10 Aug 14
Originally posted by KellyJayYes, but I as a Christian did much more than simply "believe in God". As a Christian I sincerely believed that I had Christ in my life ~ and the way you talk about having Christ in your life is very reminiscent of that period in my life. So, unless you are suggesting on some level that "the Devil" is somehow a Christian or an ex-Christian, I do not see what kind of comparison are you trying to make between "the Devil" and ex-Christians. Please explain.
The devil believes in God, there is no doubt about it in his life, and it will do
him no good before God.
10 Aug 14
Originally posted by divegeesterGet it through you head, I believe you can fall away, I believe that can
You just posted a scripture from hebrews indicating your belief that a Christian can "fall away". So why could FMF not be one of these Christians who has fallen away?
happen!
He never claimed he had a relationship with God, he claimed he lost his
faith!
Those are two different things!
Kelly
10 Aug 14
Originally posted by KellyJayI never claimed it?? I believed ~ and claimed openly and often ~ that I had a relationship with God for twenty eight years. I have said this to you over and over and over again. How on earth can you say I have never claimed it?
FMF never claimed he had a relationship with God, he claimed he lost his
faith!
10 Aug 14
Originally posted by FMFHad you just said that, I had Christ in my life and now I deny Him, I would
Yes, but I as a Christian did much more than simply "believe in God". As a Christian I sincerely believed that I had Christ in my life ~ and the way you talk about having Christ in your life is very reminiscent of that period in my life. So, unless you are suggesting on some level that "the Devil" is somehow a Christian or an ex-Christian, I do not see what kind of comparison are you trying to make between "the Devil" and ex-Christians. Please explain.
have never said you never were a Christian. You stuck to the story you
lost your faith, you did not say I now reject Christ.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayI have told you that I believed I had Christ in my life over and over and over again, maybe dozens and dozens of times. I mean * repeatedly * over numerous threads. I believed I had Christ in my life. I believed I had Christ in my life. Obviously I don't believe I have Christ in my life now ~ I am now an ex-Christian. I no longer believe the claims that Christian's make about having Christ in their lives because I do not accept the claims that Christians make about Christ. I am an ex-Christian. When I was a Christian I believed I had Christ in my life. I am an ex-Christian. I have said these things directly to you over and over and over again. 😕
Had you just said that, I had Christ in my life and now I deny Him, I would
have never said you never were a Christian. You stuck to the story you
lost your faith, you did not say I now reject Christ.
Kelly
10 Aug 14
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Originally posted by FMFYes, you told me you believed in Christ, you did not say I had Christ in my
I have told you that I believed I had Christ in my life over and over and over again, maybe dozens and dozens of time. I mean repeatedly over numerous threads. I believed I had Christ in my life. I believed I had Christ in my life. Obviously I don't believe I have Christ in my life now. I am an ex-Christian. I no longer believe the claims that Christian's make a ...[text shortened]... I am an ex-Christian. I have said these things directly to you over and over and over again. 😕
life. There is a difference! I lost my faith were your words.
Kelly
10 Aug 14
Originally posted by KellyJayI have said it repeatedly. Over and over and over and over again. I can scarcely believe that this latest discussion 'gambit' of yours is meant sincerely. When I was a Christian I believed I had Christ in my life. When I was a Christian I believed I had Christ in my life. When I was a Christian I believed I had Christ in my life. When I was a Christian I believed I had Christ in my life.
Yes, you told me you believed in Christ, you did not say I had Christ in my
life. There is a difference!
10 Aug 14
It seems Kellys argument is that once you are a Christian you can never after that get to a point where you no-longer believe in God. At best you can reject him (whatever that may mean).
This raises the question of what happens with Alzheimers.
But his core claim is that his current relationship with God has a level of reality that goes beyond belief. This of course contrasts sharply with his normal stance on any other topic where he claims that everything is belief and that nobody can ever truly know anything.
10 Aug 14
Originally posted by FMFSo just so you know, had you had Christ in your life and you've thrown that
I have told you that I believed I had Christ in my life over and over and over again, maybe dozens and dozens of times. I mean * repeatedly * over numerous threads. I believed I had Christ in my life. I believed I had Christ in my life. Obviously I don't believe I have Christ in my life now ~ I am now an ex-Christian. I no longer believe the claims that Christia ...[text shortened]... I am an ex-Christian. I have said these things directly to you over and over and over again. 😕
away. What do you think is before you now, according to scripture?
Kelly
10 Aug 14
Originally posted by KellyJayThey were my words?? I have used 1,000s of words in our discussions. "I lost my faith" are four of them. And I have probably had to say that over and over and over again. And among those 1,000s of words I have also said that when I was a Christian I believed I had Christ in my life. Over and over and over again. Is this 'gambit' for real, KellyJay?
I lost my faith were your words.