Somebody help me...

Originally posted by KellyJay
I agree they are not your views now, we are in full agreement! You however do not grasp the meaning there, admitting when you held them what you were holding on too wasn't real, even though you at the time believed it, shows what you had at the time wasn't real, it was not real because you say so now!

My beliefs were every bit as real to me then as your beliefs are real to you now. What I believe now cannot somehow go back in time and alter what my beliefs were in the past, just as ~ if you lose your faith in the future at some point ~ it will not alter the fact that you were a Christian in 2014. If, as it seems, you quite simply have no comprehension of what it actually means for people's beliefs to change, one wonders what in the world you think you are doing trying to change people's beliefs.

Originally posted by FMF
My beliefs were every bit as real to me then as your beliefs are real to you now. What I believe now cannot somehow go back in time and alter what my beliefs were in the past, just as ~ if you lose your faith in the future at some point ~ it will not alter the fact that you were a Christian in 2014. If, as it seems, you quite simply have no comprehension of what ...[text shortened]... change, one wonders what in the world you think you are doing trying to change people's beliefs.

You still don't get it, as you rejected Christ you rejected that He was ever
really in your life, so He was not. It does not matter that you at one time
claimed He was! We know now that what you once claimed you now
acknowledge as false! I'm not doing that you are! Since it was false your
beliefs were false when you held them, we know this now, because you
tell us so.

I get that people's beliefs change, had you said I was wrong when I put
my trust in Jesus I reject that now, that would have been honest. You want
to color everyone as false as you now claim you were when you were
professing Christ. Comprehension I have, and what you said you had was
never real, you were in some delusion that you since rejected.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
You still don't get it, as you rejected Christ you rejected that He was ever
really in your life, so He was not. It does not matter that you at one time
claimed He was! We know now that what you once claimed you now
acknowledge as false! I'm not doing that you are! Since it was false your
beliefs were false when you held them, we know this now, because ...[text shortened]... what you said you had was
never real, you were in some delusion that you since rejected.
Kelly

My beliefs were every bit as real to me then as your beliefs are real to you now. People's beliefs change. If your "spirituality" has deprived you of the ability to comprehend what this actually means, then you are poorer for it.

Originally posted by KellyJay
You want to color everyone as false as you now claim you were when you were professing Christ.

In what way am I trying to "color everyone as false"?

Originally posted by FMF
My beliefs were every bit as real to me then as your beliefs are real to you now. People's beliefs change. If your "spirituality" has deprived you of the ability to comprehend what this actually means, then you are poorer for it.

I agree your beliefs changed, what you use to tell people was true you now
say is not. You also say everyone who has the beliefs you used to have is
just like you when you wrongly held those beliefs. What I comprehend is
that you not only reject Jesus Christ, you reject everyone who is a Christian
with Christ in their lives as living a lie, just like you did. Which I reject as
false, and you for claiming it!
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
What I comprehend is that you not only reject Jesus Christ, you reject everyone who is a Christian with Christ in their lives as living a lie, just like you did. Which I reject as false, and you for claiming it!

There is nothing you can say that can alter the fact that I used to be Christian. You can even try calling me a liar. It does not change anything.

I do not "reject everyone who is a Christian with Christ in their lives as living a lie". I have said nothing remotely like this. You are just making stuff up.

Originally posted by FMF
There is nothing you can say that can alter the fact that I used to be Christian. You can even try calling me a liar. It does not change anything.

I do not [b]"reject everyone who is a Christian with Christ in their lives as living a lie". I have said nothing remotely like this. You are just making stuff up.[/b]

Not true, several times you told me you were just like me, before you
rejected Christ! It is the reality of your flip flops!
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
What I comprehend is that you not only reject Jesus Christ, you reject everyone who is a Christian with Christ in their lives as living a lie, just like you did.

You have claimed that I reject everyone who is a Christian with Christ in their lives as "living a lie". Please copy and paste the text written by me that you are referring to, and post it here.

Originally posted by FMF
You have claimed that I reject everyone who is a Christian with Christ in their lives as "living a lie". Please copy and paste the text written by me that you are referring to, and post it here.

You have said your faith was just like mine is now, do you deny that?
If you do not deny that, then you go on to say you've left it and it isn't
true. You have changed your mind, do you deny that?

You cannot have it both ways, where your faith is like other Christians,
then say it isn't true, it most certainly goes to heart of all Christian's faith.
If you cannot see it, I'll be a little surprised, but not much.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
You have said your faith was just like mine is now, do you deny that?
If you do not deny that, then you go on to say you've left it and it isn't
true. You have changed your mind, do you deny that?
Kelly

You have claimed that I "reject everyone who is a Christian with Christ in their lives as living a lie". Please copy and paste a text of mine where I said this.

Originally posted by KellyJay
You cannot have it both ways, where your faith is like other Christians,
then say it isn't true, it most certainly goes to heart of all Christian's faith.

Show me where I have claimed Christians "lie" about their faith.

Perhaps you have mistaken me for another poster?

Originally posted by FMF
So you have nothing to offer on the topic I was discussing with KellyJay?

Oh, no, I have plenty to offer. I am just not about to offer anything to you.

Originally posted by menace71
We have a nice trail that starts at the confluence of the Sacramento & American Rivers and goes for 32 miles up to the City of Folsom so no cars (well occasional Ranger vehicle ) also it wraps around the Lake Natoma which is where they held some Olympic trials


Manny

Ahhhhh, sounds like Heaven. 🙂

50 miles a day of breathing car fumes is not nearly as beautific. I take advantage of greenbelts wherever possible though.

Originally posted by FMF
You have claimed that I "reject everyone who is a Christian with Christ in their lives as living a lie". Please copy and paste a text of mine where I said this.

I spelled it out to you, you I guess refuse to look at my reasons.
So why do you still bring it up? I've been very clear in all my posts why
what you did and said does what I claim. You want to drag this on, it is
up to you, you are not going to get any more from me other than what
I've already said.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I spelled it out to you, you I guess refuse to look at my reasons.
So why do you still bring it up? I've been very clear in all my posts why
what you did and said does what I claim. You want to drag this on, it is
up to you, you are not going to get any more from me other than what
I've already said.
Kelly

Please copy and paste any text written by me where I said the things you are attributing to me. Simply referring back to your own claims that I have said these things will not suffice.