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@kellyjay said
Yes vengeance belongs to the Lord, a just recompense is not vengeance.

@kellyjay said
I said exactly why it was wrong according to the two commandments Jesus gave, and I pointed to scripture where that is found.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Deuteronomy 32:35 says both vengeance and recompense belongs to God.

The problem with humans killing other humans as vengeance or recompense is that mistakes happen and innocent people sometimes get killed. Are you okay with that? Is that an acceptable part of capital punishment, that an odd innocent person might be executed?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Again Kelly, where did you post this? Where did you point to such scripture? I can't locate it.

@kellyjay said
Every time a jury convicts someone that is possible so do we do away with juries? Not okay with injustice occurring, and neither am I okay with innocent people being assaulted by guilty people who due to the issues with our justice system not get brought to trial just in case someone gets it wrong.

@kellyjay said
Matthew 21

“Master, which is the great commandment in the law?”

Jesus said unto him, “‘Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.’

This is the first and great commandment.

And the second is like unto it: ‘Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.’

@ghost-of-a-duke said
An innocent person being sent to prison is bad enough, but at least they have the chance of a life if their innocence is later proven. No such chance exists when an innocent person is executed. This is the reason capital punishment itself is unjust, as just one innocent person being executed is one person too many.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
How does that relate to the conversation being had? - And how does that differentiate between abortion and capital punishment?

@kellyjay said
Recompense for victims in your opinion should be ignored due to lack of perfect knowledge?

@kellyjay said
Loving each other is meeting the needs before us. Removing justice for wrongs done, is not loving the victims, a wrong doer may have no issues with that; however, one who has been wronged would. So punishment for the perpetrators is justice, while putting oneself above one’s own family to the point of killing them, simply for convenience, has nothing to do with justice, or a right recompense,
only a narcissistic selfishness in the extreme.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
No, because as I stated, one innocent person being executed in error is one person too many.

Clearly you think otherwise.

A declaration of the World Council of Churches (WCC) of March 1990 proclaimed its unconditional opposition to the death penalty: “in taking away a human life, the state usurps the will of God”. The WCC recommended that governments abolish the death penalty and ratify promptly the second optional Protocol to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, concerning the abolition of the death penalty.

“Where the death penalty is implemented, God’s redeeming love is violated.” (World Alliance of Reformed Churches).

@KellyJay

End of the day Kelly you are missing Jesus's key teachings of grace, forgiveness and redemption.

"Grace and forgiveness unleash the power of God that re-makes humans. That is the Way of Jesus, the Way of the Cross. Our faith teaches that whatever has been done by any human being in history, today, and in the future has been absorbed by the Cross and forgiven." (Scot McKnight).

@KellyJay

It is highly likely Saul of Tarsus (before he became the Apostle Paul) killed/murdered people/Christians. - Did this prevent Jesus showing him mercy, forgiveness? Did Jesus declare he should face execution for his crimes? - Didn't the families of Saul's victims deserve the same recompense you are demanding today?

Your position is further untenable by your belief that we are all filthy rags before God, none of us without sin. So when Jesus says the person without sin should cast the first stone, who are any of us to cast a stone at anybody else. If you are just as sinful as a murderer (as you have said before) shouldn't we all face capital punishment?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
A declaration of the World Council of Churches (WCC) of March 1990 proclaimed its unconditional opposition to the death penalty: “in taking away a human life, the state usurps the will of God”. The WCC recommended that governments abolish the death penalty and ratify promptly the second optional Protocol to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, co ...[text shortened]... th penalty is implemented, God’s redeeming love is violated.” (World Alliance of Reformed Churches).