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@kellyjay said
It isn't puzzling to me that you find it repellent, you pick and choose what you value and what you don't. I'm treating each life of equal importance, each event that we deal with equality as well, evil people do not get to harm and avoid facing a just recompense for their crimes, simply due to human limitations on not knowing everything there is to know to avoid possibly e ...[text shortened]... lnerable to harm being unable to speak for themselves or take any action, whose only crime is being.

If you can't see the difference between someone dying in a car accident and someone being deliberately put to death then you really haven't thought this through, have you? How do you square the circle of someone being 'truly innocent', when according to your religious beliefs, we are all sinners? I think we have long since ceased to expect anything you say to make any sense, but perhaps you'd like to address that one.

@kellyjay said
Yes, but you are not breaking it down as Christians believe, it may be what you believe, or it may be what you think Christian beliefs are, or should believe if you understand them properly, but you are wrong, in error, you don't understand, looking at it from a non-Christian point of view. You are suggesting it is wrong because you are putting value in the wrong place, so ...[text shortened]... pon myself to set the rules and tell others how it should be done, that would be what you are doing.

Is God's final judgement not enough for you that you need justice in the here and now?

Edit: You really do need to think on that. Don't fire back an automatic reply. Think about it. - And if we are all filthy sinners, as you have said previously, shouldn't we all face capital punishment?

@indonesia-phil said
If you can't see the difference between someone dying in a car accident and someone being deliberately put to death then you really haven't thought this through, have you? How do you square the circle of someone being 'truly innocent', when according to your religious beliefs, we are all sinners? I think we have long since ceased to expect anything you say to make any sense, but perhaps you'd like to address that one.

The fact we all die doesn’t escape me and due to an accident, negligence, willful lawlessness, is different than dying peacefully in one’s sleep at a very old age. Truly innocent and being put to death is not good, but being guilty is just. I acknowledge that you have a different perspective that is not much farther than your nose.

@kellyjay said
I have to say you spend a lot of time accusing me of acting as God while I'm only pointing to His word,

You're not pointing to His word, you're ignoring it.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Is God's final judgement not enough for you that you need justice in the here and now?

Edit: You really do need to think on that. Don't fire back an automatic reply. Think about it. - And if we are all filthy sinners, as you have said previously, shouldn't we all face capital punishment?

Vengeance is God’s I have not called for that, a just recompense which laws require I said is just as long as everything is equally applied and just.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
You're not pointing to His word, you're ignoring it.

I have given you scripture show me where you get your information from the text.

@kellyjay said
The fact we all die doesn’t escape me and due to an accident, negligence, willful lawlessness, is different than dying peacefully in one’s sleep at a very old age. Truly innocent and being put to death is not good, but being guilty is just. I acknowledge that you have a different perspective that is not much farther than your nose.

It is a wonder why God gives us grace.

@kellyjay said

The fact that this comes up in an abortion discussion also shows some care more about those who are guilty and compare them to the truly innocent and completely vulnerable to harm being unable to speak for themselves or take any action, whose only crime is being.

I thought there were no 'truly innocent,' that we are all filthy sinners, because of original sin.

Honestly, do you make things up as you go along? Where is the consistency in your arguments?

@kellyjay said
Vengeance is God’s I have not called for that, a just recompense which laws require I said is just as long as everything is equally applied and just.

Isn't a life sentence in prison just? Why the need for execution, especially as the criminal will face divine justice in the end anyway? Why the need for death? Didn't Jesus do away with an eye for an eye?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
I thought there were no 'truly innocent,' that we are all filthy sinners, because of original sin.

Honestly, do you make things up as you go along? Where is the consistency in your arguments?

Simply pointing out that there are no truly innocent and there is a time appointed for each. You feel I am wrong about that?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Isn't a life sentence in prison just? Why the need for execution, especially as the criminal will face divine justice in the end anyway? Why the need for death? Didn't Jesus do away with an eye for an eye?

Well depending on the crime, today depending on who you talk to simply belonging to a specific nationality is enough. If you have a notion that there are absolute standards for human behavior, where are you getting your information, what are your primary documents, and when looking at your documents how do you know what is more important within all your criteria?

What scripture do you think has Jesus doing away with capital punishment?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Isn't a life sentence in prison just? Why the need for execution, especially as the criminal will face divine justice in the end anyway? Why the need for death? Didn't Jesus do away with an eye for an eye?

An eye for an eye was a limiting factor so people didn’t go beyond the crime, a just recompense, instead of a life ending torturing death for a minor infraction.

@indonesia-phil said
How do you square the circle of someone being 'truly innocent', when according to your religious beliefs, we are all sinners?

"Equally as evil as rapists", in fact. Apparently. And not because of deeds, of course, but because of thoughtcrimes and because that is how his God figure created us. Apparently.

@kellyjay said
The fact we all die doesn’t escape me and due to an accident, negligence, willful lawlessness, is different than dying peacefully in one’s sleep at a very old age. Truly innocent and being put to death is not good, but being guilty is just. I acknowledge that you have a different perspective that is not much farther than your nose.

True to form, you have not addressed either of the points I raised. Can you see the difference between someone dying in a road accident and someone being deliberately put to death?
My other point was, how can anyone be truly innocent and full of sin at the same time? Go on, have another go.

@indonesia-phil said
True to form, you have not addressed either of the points I raised. Can you see the difference between someone dying in a road accident and someone being deliberately put to death?
My other point was, how can anyone be truly innocent and full of sin at the same time? Go on, have another go.

Yes I see the difference and each one of us has a time we leave this world and after that divine judgment not social media.