@ghost-of-a-duke saidEvery single death and birth are God’s you may complain but you have nothing to stand on. No one promised us we would live to an old age and die peacefully in our sleep.
Sorry Kelly, but you can't claim God is consistently perfect when he sends bears to kill children or randomly decides to kill Moses, or a hundred other such examples.
If you provide some reasoning I'll respond to it. - And I think your beliefs are closer aligned to the OT than they are to the teachings of Jesus which seem to have gone right over your head.
The same God is the OT as the NT, another mistake that you make.
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@kellyjay saidKellyjay, this is a legitimate observation and question which you are ignoring.
Jesus raised the bar on how we are to deal with others, instead of vengeance grace, when there is a need to meet them, forgive for things done to you so you could be forgiven. What that is not saying is if someone rapes another, the one raped must forgive and they are let off the hook because everyone else is a sinner too, after all, God said forgive.
The one who was raped should forgive, but the rapist must still be prosecuted.
You believe that non Christians will be burnt alive in hell as punishment.
Why can’t your version of God forgive them the same way you are exhorting this hypothetical rape victim to forgive their assailant?
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There is no coherence to the beliefs you have expressed. You say we are all filthy sinners and that you are just as sinful as a murderer or rapist, and yet support murderers and the like being executed. This is illogical if your sinful nature is just as bad as theirs. It is also illogical to say all births and deaths belong to God while simultaneously supporting the death penalty.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidI say we have all fallen we all have come up short to the High calling of God. What I think you are hung up with is that you grade humanity on a curve. If the best of us are so deeply flawed then to compare one to another doesn’t matter. You want credit for not raping any as that would set you above a rapist, but you still fall far short of Jesus Christ! Jesus Christ is the Way, Truth, and the life when compared to Christ you have failed over and over so your personal righteousness is filthy and repugnant to God.
@KellyJay
There is no coherence to the beliefs you have expressed. You say we are all filthy sinners and that you are just as sinful as a murderer or rapist, and yet support murderers and the like being executed. This is illogical if your sinful nature is just as bad as theirs. It is also illogical to say all births and deaths belong to God while simultaneously supporting the death penalty.
You seem to want to deny God by something you deny, but you must use God to apply your argument, which is God did something you feel He does not deserve to be able to do, while picking out something from the whole ignoring everything that we see is within God’s authority. God starts and ends life, all life.
The best and worst of us both enjoy the sunshine and rain. I think the larger question is why God has not destroyed us for our evil. The answer is God’s love and through His righteousness on the cross we can be saved.
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@divegeester saidKellyJay? 🙂
Kellyjay, this is a legitimate observation and question which you are ignoring.
You believe that non Christians will be burnt alive in hell as punishment.
Why can’t your version of God forgive them the same way you are exhorting this hypothetical rape victim to forgive their assailant?
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@kellyjay saidSorry, but this really is just complete gibberish. It's as though you didn't even read my post.
I say we have all fallen we all have come up short to the High calling of God. What I think you are hung up with is that you grade humanity on a curve. If the best of us are so deeply flawed then to compare one to another doesn’t matter. You want credit for not raping any as that would set you above a rapist, but you still fall far short of Jesus Christ! Jesus Christ is ...[text shortened]... for our evil. The answer is God’s love and through His righteousness on the cross we can be saved.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidHe just replying in waffle to you to demonstrate that he’s NOT under NO circumstances EVER going to think about answering my question to him.
Sorry, but this really is just complete gibberish. It's as though you didn't even read my post.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidIf you are going to suggest an event in the Bible that shows God is evil, you need to take in the whole of scripture not just a snippet. You cannot even show evil is real without God unless you claim evil is due to your personal opinion, or maybe you would like to say culture, so it has to do with consensus, so it was not evil until the proper percentage of an unknown number of people was reached. You are throwing out God is evil as if you have an absolute notion of what is evil, I read your post, and you have brought this up several times.
Sorry, but this really is just complete gibberish. It's as though you didn't even read my post.
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@divegeester saidKellyJay?
Kellyjay, this is a legitimate observation and question which you are ignoring.
You believe that non Christians will be burnt alive in hell as punishment.
Why can’t your version of God forgive them the same way you are exhorting this hypothetical rape victim to forgive their assailant?
@kellyjay saidGosh, it's as if ten years of debates on this that you've lost never happened. "Evil" is, in your opinion, "due to your personal opinion" too. In your personal opinion, "evil" is up to the God figure and the ancient Hebrew folklore that you just so happen to subscribe to, even when you cannot make it sound morally coherent.
You cannot even show evil is real without God unless you claim evil is due to your personal opinion, or maybe you would like to say culture, so it has to do with consensus, so it was not evil until the proper percentage of an unknown number of people was reached.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidI believe in law.
Exactly.
So why are you in favour of capital punishment?
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidI molded your comment about God sending the bears into your question which you did not do, sorry.
Sorry, but this really is just complete gibberish. It's as though you didn't even read my post.
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@kellyjay said3 clear questions. Please keep your answers short and to the point:
I molded your comment about God sending the bears into your question which you did not do, sorry.
1) If every birth and death belongs to God, why are you in favour of capital punishment?
2) If you (and everyone else) are as sinful as a murderer or rapist, who are we to execute anyone?
3) Why can't you leave justice to God and the final judgement? Murderers and rapists will face eternal punishment for their crimes, so why the need to execute them in the here and now? Why do you call for death rather than other forms of recompense and punishment?