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17 Nov 23
@kellyjay saidWhy must a rape victim forgive their assailant when God won’t forgive non Christians?
Another point, no crime in the OT or NT recompense was ever lessened, they were all paid in full, even in God's grace, Jesus took paid in full for every sin, every bit of shame. Your mob example showed that Jesus did not come to condemn but to save sinners while He was here. At no time did He address human criminal systems, mob rule yes, notice only the woman was brought not the man as well.
@divegeester saidIt's a different rule for gods, apparently.
Why must a rape victim forgive their assailant when God won’t forgive non Christians?
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19 Nov 23
@indonesia-phil saidSeems like a poorly thought through piece of performative moral posturing to me.
It's a different rule for gods, apparently.
@divegeester saidCouldn't have put it better myself.
Seems like a poorly thought through piece of performative moral posturing to me.
@indonesia-phil saidThe trouble is you are looking at two different types of judgment here, in this world in our justice system a just recompense for our crimes is outlined in our laws, the law in some places is a very eye-for-eye type of judgment system, you murder or do something of like magnitude and you have to answer to man in man's justice system it is what it is.
Couldn't have put it better myself.
In the divine judgment where a man receives the forgiveness of God, then every single crime/sin is paid for, and all of those debts are settled by Jesus Christ on our behalf, in Christ. Therefore when we do receive that great salvation, we are told to also forgive all of have done us harm, as we have been forgiven so we are told to forgive all who wronged us. It is also for our good, not just a matter of fairness, when we forgive as God has forgiven us it frees us of being a perpetual victim of the crimes we have suffered due to the evil of man.
Anyone who calls himself a Christian should know that, but if some make up their own version of Jesus and God's redemption as they see fit instead of going to the source in scripture, then they only see it all as they want it to be, not as the Word declares it.
19 Nov 23
@kellyjay saidThe difference between these two types of judgment is that one is of this world, and the other exists only in your imagination.
The trouble is you are looking at two different types of judgment here, in this world in our justice system a just recompense for our crimes is outlined in our laws, the law in some places is a very eye-for-eye type of judgment system, you murder or do something of like magnitude and you have to answer to man in man's justice system it is what it is.
In the divine judgmen ...[text shortened]... e source in scripture, then they only see it all as they want it to be, not as the Word declares it.
19 Nov 23
@indonesia-phil saidYour denial of God and the Spiritual world doesn't change the fact that God is real, and the best explanation for everything. Unlike any you can produce, you cannot give a narrative even with unprovable theories to support them that makes logical sense.
The difference between these two types of judgment is that one is of this world, and the other exists only in your imagination.
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@kellyjay saidNo, that’s not what you said.
The trouble is you are looking at two different types of judgment here, in this world in our justice system a just recompense for our crimes is outlined in our laws, the law in some places is a very eye-for-eye type of judgment system, you murder or do something of like magnitude and you have to answer to man in man's justice system it is what it is.
In the divine judgmen ...[text shortened]... e source in scripture, then they only see it all as they want it to be, not as the Word declares it.
You said a rape victim should forgive their assailant because it is good for them to forgive. Nothing about judgment or justice.
I asked you how it is that you can assert this when your version of God cannot forgive non Christians once they’ve died.
You’ve been dodging the question, of course.
20 Nov 23
@kellyjay saidI don't think you'd acknowledge a 'fact' if it jumped up and bit you, except in your ever selective way. In any case you seem quite unable to distinguish between fact and folklore, which is why your 'arguments' hold no intellectual water whatsoever.
Your denial of God and the Spiritual world doesn't change the fact that God is real, and the best explanation for everything. Unlike any you can produce, you cannot give a narrative even with unprovable theories to support them that makes logical sense.
21 Nov 23
@kellyjay saidThere has to be a narrative. There has to be a narrative. There has to be a narrative. The one I happen to believe is the only one that anyone should believe because it's the one I believe. There must be a narrative...
Your denial of God and the Spiritual world doesn't change the fact that God is real, and the best explanation for everything. Unlike any you can produce, you cannot give a narrative even with unprovable theories to support them that makes logical sense.
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@indonesia-phil saidAnd if your personal algorithms from family, environment, location, life experiences along with understanding of them all, along with a bigger world out there not realized by you maybe could have created a false reality in your mind?
The difference between these two types of judgment is that one is of this world, and the other exists only in your imagination.
21 Nov 23
@indonesia-phil saidI have put both questions and accretions to you and you disappear and don’t engage. You speak as if you can backup and defend your views, but you don’t. Please produce your facts that are actual fact not your opinion.
I don't think you'd acknowledge a 'fact' if it jumped up and bit you, except in your ever selective way. In any case you seem quite unable to distinguish between fact and folklore, which is why your 'arguments' hold no intellectual water whatsoever.