Ten Commandments Revisited

@suzianne said
Yes, precisely so. This is why Christians (should) follow the commandments of Jesus, and why Christians are not beholden to Mosaic law. Before Jesus, Mosaic law had to be followed to fulfill God's will. Now we have the words of Jesus to follow directly, instead of hundreds of laws in the Torah. The ministry of Jesus the Christ was a watershed moment in human history. It changed everything.

It changed everything.

I would say that it marked an awakening in the human consciousness of morality, from mere rote following of rules (as epitomised by the Pharisees and the Sadducees) to consciousness of responsibility. A similar awakening occurred in ancient Greece and is recounted in Plato's account of Socrates' trial and execution.

@fmf said
The thread was about what can be argued is missing.

What is missing (from your OP list) are sins of omission.

@fmf said
You have simply got the wrong end of the stick.

At the end of 8 pages of discussion, I have begun to reach my own deduction in this thought exercise, in part due to consideration of the answers and claims you offered. You are entitled to reach your own conclusions

I think the two Assumptions fail to withstand scrutiny given answers '1. No' and '2. Yes' to the Questions beca ...[text shortened]... pear, instead, to be merely some rules written by humans which reflected the morality of their time.

Do you believe all the scriptural text is from divine revelation or the will of man?

@kellyjay said
Do you believe all the scriptural text is from divine revelation or the will of man?

You sometimes post as if you have anterograde amnesia.

@fmf said
You sometimes post as if you have anterograde amnesia.

Let’s assume that the author of the 10 commandments is God. I was simply confirming that was never your intention.

@kellyjay said
Let’s assume that the author of the 10 commandments is God. I was simply confirming that was never your intention.

Of course that was the initial assumption for the thought exercise. See the OP. But the discussion has developed. We are on page 10 now. Your posts have underlined how manmade the Hebrew and Christian scriptures seem. It was never my intention to somehow talk myself back into being superstitious again or to assume that "the author of the 10 commandments is God" indefinitely. This has been a thought exercise intended to examine the credibility of the two assumptions. I think they have failed the test. Presumably you don't agree.

@kellyjay said
Do you believe all the scriptural text is from divine revelation or the will of man?

Do you?

@moonbus said
What is missing (from your OP list) are sins of omission.

Good point.

@moonbus said
It changed everything.

I would say that it marked an awakening in the human consciousness of morality, from mere rote following of rules (as epitomised by the Pharisees and the Sadducees) to consciousness of responsibility. A similar awakening occurred in ancient Greece and is recounted in Plato's account of Socrates' trial and execution.

My point in saying that the ministry of Jesus changed everything, is that it made a previously inaccessible God (except through the high priests) accessible to everyone. This made Christianity the first 'personal' religion. Or, as you say, a "consciousness of [personal] responsibility".

@fmf said
You sometimes post as if you have anterograde amnesia.

😆

@suzianne said
My point in saying that the ministry of Jesus changed everything, is that it made a previously inaccessible God (except through the high priests) accessible to everyone. This made Christianity the first 'personal' religion. Or, as you say, a "consciousness of [personal] responsibility".

There is a pre-parallel in the East, in the Bodhisattva figure, an enlightened one who has reached the state of being able to not return (i.e., nirvana), but, upon seeing all the creatures which had not reached the blessed state, Bodhisattva 'sacrifices' his own berth in nirvana and vows to stay in the embodied state until the very last living creature has made it to nirvana—-Bodhisattva will enter last of all. A rather interesting twist on the "last shall be first and first shall be last" idea.