Ten Commandments Revisited

@fmf said
While this instruction does not appear to be covered in the Ten Commandments, it was among the six instructions that Jesus is said to have mentioned in Mark 10:19.

This only shows that you don’t grasp Biblical principles and laws.

@fmf said
While this instruction does not appear to be covered in the Ten Commandments, it was among the six instructions that Jesus is said to have mentioned in Mark 10:19.

Sure - it falls under - "not cheating", although I prefer to spell this out, as financial fraud deserves its own specific commandment, IMO.

@bigdoggproblem said
The list has room for many additions. Here are some I'd add:

Thou shalt not own slaves, nor treat people as property.

Thou shalt not physically assault any person, unless that person is acting to harm thyself or other innocents.

Thou shalt not have sexual relations with anyone, including thine own wife, without their consent.

Thou shalt pay thy staff a fair ...[text shortened]... shalt buy and sell goods honestly, for fair prices.

Thou shalt not enrich thyself through fraud.

You are blurring a useful distinction between religion and politics, spiritual principles and civil laws.

@suzianne said
I am surprised no one here has yet called you out on missing the Third Commandment.

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the in ...[text shortened]... s maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's." -- Exodus 20:17, KJV

Too complicated. Can’t all that be encapsulated as “Love God, and love thy neighbor as thyself”
?

Of course not “love” in the merely physical (carnal) sense. If one loved God in the right manner, and one’s neighbors as thyself in the right manner, wouldn’t that entail all the rest, not bearing false witness, not coveting, not killing, honoring one’s parents, loving God in his spiritual quality and not as an idol or physical image, loving humans as ends only and never as means, and so on?

@moonbus said
You are blurring a useful distinction between religion and politics, spiritual principles and civil laws.

He is also just taking what was written adding his own spin to do it. The 10 Commandments are only legit due to the source of them. Without a moral law giver there is but nothing personal opinion in play, or those able to force their laws upon others for whatever reason they want to use.

@kellyjay said
This only shows that you don’t grasp Biblical principles and laws.

What I said is palpably true. One of the commandments Jesus mentioned was not among the Ten Commandments. Care to explain how pointing this out falls foul of Biblical principles?

@kellyjay said
Without a moral law giver there is but nothing personal opinion in play, or those able to force their laws upon others for whatever reason they want to use.

No one is suggesting that Christians should be "forced" to be charitable. But shouldn't Christians feel "driven" to be charitable by their faith?

@kellyjay said
He is also just taking what was written adding his own spin to do it. The 10 Commandments are only legit due to the source of them. Without a moral law giver there is but nothing personal opinion in play, or those able to force their laws upon others for whatever reason they want to use.

It is a peculiarly Judeo/Christian idea that moral laws require or imply a law giver, and that only a supernatural law giver guarantees that the laws so given are objectively right. There are ethical traditions which posit objectively valid moral principles without any supernaturalism or law giver at all. Kant, for example.

@fmf said
What I said is palpably true. One of the commandments Jesus mentioned was not among the Ten Commandments. Care to explain how pointing this out falls foul of Biblical principles?

The 10 commandments were not all of them in the OT, neither were the top two Jesus gave in the NT the only ones there.

@kellyjay said
The 10 commandments were not all of them in the OT, neither were the top two Jesus gave in the NT the only ones there.

The term "The Ten Commandments" refers to a specific set of instructions. What I stated was clearly accurate. "You will not defraud/cheat", as mentioned by Jesus in Mark 10:19, was not one of the "Ten Commandments". One doesn't need to be a Christian to point this out to you.

@fmf said
The term "The Ten Commandments" refers to a specific set of instructions. What I stated was clearly accurate. "You will not defraud/cheat", as mentioned by Jesus in Mark 10:19, was not one of the "Ten Commandments". One doesn't need to be a Christian to point this out to you.

You don’t grasp scriptures let me point that out to you.

@kellyjay said
You don’t grasp scriptures let me point that out to you.

I grasp what "The Ten Commandments" are.

What about my observations and claims and questions about the imperative for Christians to be charitable?

Is this new riff about my 'grasp of scripture' intended to be INSTEAD of addressing that?

@moonbus said
You are blurring a useful distinction between religion and politics, spiritual principles and civil laws.

Well, I was asked to pretend to be an "all-in" theist.

If you had to classify the original 10 commandments using the categories you named, which would go where, and why?

@kellyjay said
He is also just taking what was written adding his own spin to do it. The 10 Commandments are only legit due to the source of them. Without a moral law giver there is but nothing personal opinion in play, or those able to force their laws upon others for whatever reason they want to use.

Everyone adds their own spin to what they read. It is unavoidable. Reading without interpretation precludes understanding of the text.

@fmf said
What I said is palpably true. One of the commandments Jesus mentioned was not among the Ten Commandments. Care to explain how pointing this out falls foul of Biblical principles?

You are looking at this ignoring all other teaching right now in the NT. John the Baptist do you accept what he said was from God, and what he said was it any less true that what Jesus said when he was saying what God gave him?

The Father sent the Son, the Father and the Son sent the Holy Spirit who also teaches us the things of God. So if a man is moved by God's Spirit to share what He says, it will always be no different than as if Jesus said it. The Father, Son, and Spirit are One, so being from God is being from God.

This means that even John the Baptist before the Spirit of God was given to the church told the tax collectors don't collect more than your authorized to was from God. The same was true of the soldiers when John answered them, “Do not extort money from anyone by threats or by false accusation..." that too was from God!

If you make a difference between the Spirit of God and Jesus, you should change your name to thinkofone.

Luke 3

He said therefore to the crowds that came out to be baptized by him, “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bear fruits in keeping with repentance. And do not begin to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham. Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.”
And the crowds asked him, “What then shall we do?” And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.” Tax collectors also came to be baptized and said to him, “Teacher, what shall we do?” And he said to them, “Collect no more than you are authorized to do.” Soldiers also asked him, “And we, what shall we do?” And he said to them, “Do not extort money from anyone by threats or by false accusation, and be content with your wages.”

These are all things that have to do with, do what can with what you have, to help those around you. Whereever your at do what you can.