The Alpha and the Omega

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
My assertion is that its translated as 'the Word was God', because of religious bias, not because that's what the Greek text actually says. If there is any textual basis for translating the text as, 'The word was God', I'd be glad to hear it.

Basing an argument on the basis of, 'its true because many believe it to be true;, or in this instance, ...[text shortened]... 18 of the same chapter says that 'no man has seen God at any time', plenty of people saw Jesus.

Basing an argument on the basis of, 'its true because many believe it to be true;, or in this instance, 'its true because many people have translated it that way', as as you are aware is a logical fallacy.

I am not basing anything on a general consensus, I was merely pointing out 2 resources that seem to say the same thing, the thing you said it needed to say. As far as I know, the texts are all different, even the one from the BibleHub.

Originally posted by yoctobyte

Basing an argument on the basis of, 'its true because many believe it to be true;, or in this instance, 'its true because many people have translated it that way', as as you are aware is a logical fallacy.

I am not basing anything on a general consensus, I was merely pointing out 2 resources that seem to say the same thing, the thing you ...[text shortened]... t needed to say. As far as I know, the texts are all different, even the one from the BibleHub.

ok I understand

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
ok I understand

Have you ever checked out logo.com?

Originally posted by yoctobyte
Have you ever checked out logo.com?

No but I studied art and design including corporate identity and I am pretty nifty with Gimp, why?

Actually while we are on the subject if you notice recent trends the internet is driving for purely flat minimalistic logos, if you look at facebook, google +, twitter etc, they all use simple flat logos in their corporate identity.

check out my logo on my chess channel.

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http://www.youtube.com/user/chessvideos1

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No but I studied art and design including corporate identity and I am pretty nifty with Gimp, why?

Actually while we are on the subject if you notice recent trends the internet is driving for purely flat minimalistic logos, if you look at facebook, google +, twitter etc, they all use simple flat logos in their corporate identity.

check out my logo on my chess channel.

MSK Chess

http://www.youtube.com/user/chessvideos1

😀

I meant logos.com, sorry.

Originally posted by yoctobyte
I meant logos.com, sorry.

LOL ok, i was wondering, anyway I am really against sites that try to sell spiritual things I just feel uneasy about it, its my socialist sensibilities, i am from an epoch when the internet was free 😀

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
LOL ok, i was wondering, anyway I am really against sites that try to sell spiritual things I just feel uneasy about it, its my socialist sensibilities, i am from an epoch when the internet was free 😀

I gotcha, sometimes it costs money to put together the resources and then copyright issues, and on an on. I hear ya though.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I have not claimed the Michael the arch angel is the Alpha and the Omega, I don't know where you get the idea that I have, perhaps you should read the text first, who knows, you may actually learn something about the Bible and it will certainly prevent you from attempting rather transparent straw man arguments.

If you want to discuss Michael the ...[text shortened]... ally for that purpose, this one is about the Alpha and the Omega, look, it says so in the title.

But you believe that Jesus is the arch angel Michael, so I don't see why you are being so obtuse about me asking. If Jesus is the alpha and the omega, then the archangel Michael must be also. Can you explain how this is supported in scripture?

Originally posted by divegeester
But you believe that Jesus is the arch angel Michael, so I don't see why you are being so obtuse about me asking. If Jesus is the alpha and the omega, then the archangel Michael must be also. Can you explain how this is supported in scripture?

Wow have you read anything I have posted? Where have I stated that Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega? Can you explain why you have failed to understand anything that I have written concerning the identity of the Alpha and the Omega.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Wow have you read anything I have posted? Where have I stated that Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega? Can you explain why you have failed to understand anything that I have written concerning the identity of the Alpha and the Omega.

I don't read most of what you post these days.

Originally posted by divegeester
I don't read most of what you post these days.

Then perhaps you should start, it may just save you from asking ludicrous questions on the basis of straw man arguments.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Then perhaps you should start, it may just save you from asking ludicrous questions on the basis of straw man arguments.

I made the assumption that no one would ever try to suggest that Jesus was not the alpha and omega in those scriptures; unfortunately I forgot I was dealing with you.

Originally posted by divegeester
I made the assumption that no one would ever try to suggest that Jesus was not the alpha and omega in those scriptures; unfortunately I forgot I was dealing with you.

I provided reasons, references and examples you may make reference to those. You provide opinions, mostly your own.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I provided reasons, references and examples you may make reference to those. You provide opinions, mostly your own.

I'm not going to bother robbie, what would be the point? The longer I know you the more I come to realise that there is probably not one single element of our respective theist views that we agree on.

Jehovah's Witnesses are so far from mainstream Christianity that they cannot be called Christians. I know you like to call yourselves "Christian" because it lends your organisation an ring of authenticity, but in reality you are far from it. This is not to say that you are not committed good people, not saying that at all as I'm sure you are, but you are not Christian because you don't accept the core beliefs of Christianity, and no matter how much your organisation crams Greek text or whatever other spurious hieroglyphics into your mind, you will never be accepted by mainstream Christianity.

Originally posted by divegeester
I'm not going to bother robbie, what would be the point? The longer I know you the more I come to realise that there is probably not one single element of our respective theist views that we agree on.

Jehovah's Witnesses are so far from mainstream Christianity that they cannot be called Christians. I know you like to call yourselves "Christian" becau ...[text shortened]... er spurious hieroglyphics into your mind, you will never be accepted by mainstream Christianity.

Such apathy towards Bible study cannot be healthy, but then again, when the whole basis of your faith is nothing more than some kind of emotional attachment to flimsy notions of salvation rather than solid reason then what else are we to expect. As for your inability to actually address the thread theme this latest offering is merely reflective of that trend of irrelevancy, logical fallacy and nothingness.

At the risk of repeating myself. i have learned nothing from you and I don't see why its profitable to give even a semblance of attention to your texts for if I wanted an uninterrupted flow of caustic diatribe, sensationalistic claims on the basis of fabricated opinions, I'd buy the Daily Mail, but thanks anyway.