Originally posted by Grampy BobbyOK, I have read the parts you have requested, and they do not help. It does not change the fact that your original quotes suggest that giving a few examples of atheists whose father died young 'bears out' the claims being made.
Please read the text again:
"In this chapter we have considered Paul Vitz’s thesis that a broken relationship with one’s father is often involved in this process"
What does 'often' mean here?
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyAnd you love trying to be patronizing. Please try simply answering questions honestly instead of your usual fare - then I may respond more respectfully.
Respectfully, you seem to walk around with an exceedingly short fuse attached to your emotional cluster. Please calm down.
02 Feb 14
The post that was quoted here has been removedI think this is relatively correct, that women prefer the predominant or most common choice in their own culture, and even that most people tend to assume their own culture 'has it right'.
I must say though, that at first thought, it must be practically impossible for most women to discern the difference during actual penetrative sex. At this point, the question becomes somewhat moot, anyway. But then again, there are a lot of women out there, even some who have relatively more experience, who are remarkably ignorant about what one might call the 'mechanics of sex'. For example, it's amazing how many women to whom I've had to describe what Kegel exercises are.
At any rate, the debate between the two sides must have been amusing, at least. I find that most men are remarkably ignorant of what women prefer.
02 Feb 14
Originally posted by SuzianneThat is because women will not tell us. They seem to think we can read their minds, I guess.
I think this is relatively correct, that women prefer the predominant or most common choice in their own culture, and even that most people tend to assume their own culture 'has it right'.
I must say though, that at first thought, it must be practically impossible for most women to discern the difference during actual penetrative sex. At this poi ...[text shortened]... have been amusing, at least. I find that most men are remarkably ignorant of what women prefer.
02 Feb 14
Originally posted by SuzianneAlthough both men and women are remarkably bad at listening, I do agree with RJ that women more than men expect their spouses to be mind readers - whilst simultaneously complaining about mens poor communication skills.
Even when women tell men what they want, men tend to ultimately blow it off as "not important".
02 Feb 14
Originally posted by twhiteheadSuggest you access the site via the link provided and attempt to message or email the book's author, James Spiegel.
OK, I have read the parts you have requested, and they do not help. It does not change the fact that your original quotes suggest that giving a few examples of atheists whose father died young 'bears out' the claims being made.
[b]"In this chapter we have considered Paul Vitz’s thesis that a broken relationship with one’s father is often involved in this process"
What does 'often' mean here?[/b]
02 Feb 14
Originally posted by SuzianneCertainly is refreshing whenever someone on this forum speaks authoritatively.
I think this is relatively correct, that women prefer the predominant or most common choice in their own culture, and even that most people tend to assume their own culture 'has it right'.
I must say though, that at first thought, it must be practically impossible for most women to discern the difference during actual penetrative sex. At this poi ...[text shortened]... have been amusing, at least. I find that most men are remarkably ignorant of what women prefer.
02 Feb 14
Originally posted by twhiteheadThere you go again: typing away in a blur. Nobody asked you to respond in a respectful way, just objectively now and then.
And you love trying to be patronizing. Please try simply answering questions honestly instead of your usual fare - then I may respond more respectfully.
02 Feb 14
Originally posted by Grampy Bobby8) "Perhaps what is most remarkable about James’s study is that, despite his empirical bent, he not only remained open to the veracity of the hundreds of reports of spiritual encounters chronicled in his research, but he actually concludes by noting his belief in the supernatural:"
7) "But what of the role of the will when it comes to atheism? [b]Recall Paul Vitz’s emphasis on freedom when it comes to moving toward or away from God. Recall also Huxley’s remark that “We don’t know because we don’t want to know. It is our will that decides how and upon what subjects we shall use our intelligence.”[/b]
9) "Name it the mystical region, or the supernatural region, whichever you choose. So far as our ideal impulses originate in this region . . . we belong to it in a more intimate sense than that in which we belong to the visible world."
10) "But it wasn’t only positive evidence for the supernatural that persuaded William James. There was a more basic psychological insight that drove him. James argued that there are significant truths in life, many of them practical in nature, which cannot be seen or understood until one believes. Likewise, one may willfully refuse to believe certain truths, even when there is strong evidence for them."
02 Feb 14
Originally posted by Grampy BobbySaving face" only becomes a necessity when low self esteem and immaturity are in play.
"31 Jan '14 03:09 So, Grampy, are you ready to answer my questions yet? You keep mentioning 'discussion' but seem to avoid actually discussing the contents of the quotations you post." -twhitehead
Intent was to complete the presentation of the review and the four excerpts from Jim Spiegel's "The Causes of Atheism" as well the selected passages (numb ...[text shortened]... no way does peripheral hostility alter my objectivity or appreciation of conversation with you.
Based on your posts on this and other threads, it's evident that pride and immaturity are what are in play in your case. It's one thing to try to "save face", quite another to do so as absurdly as you do.
02 Feb 14
I made the transition from Protestant fundie to skeptic in my teens. I had lots of reasons (as GB knows from having asked me), but one of them is I would expect a book written by (or under the careful guidance of) God to be so carefully constructed that it would discourage schism.
http://macaulay.cuny.edu/eportfolios/drabik10website/tools/religion-flow-chart/