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The post that was quoted here has been removed"To be realistic, if women always told the 'naked truth' about how they felt
toward the men in their lives, how many men could accept it?"
I don't know, I'm not men I'm just me.
"Wouldn't many men be happier if their women added some sugar to their
medicine?"
In general, in any relationship/interaction people are generally happier if 'their
medicine' is sugar coated. Being blunt is usually considerd rude, even if men
can often get away with it more than women can.
Tact is also useually more effective at getting people to change their view as
people generally respond to hostility and/or bluntness by doubling down on their
position where as tact can get in under the radar and alow them to change their
position without loss of face. And that's universal.
As for your specific problem... I have a number of issues with that sentence.
First up I would imagine that many men would state a preference for 1950's
style ideal families... whether or not they would be happier in general if they
got their wish is an open question. I suspect not.
Patriarcal attitudes and societies harm both women and men [albeit not equally].
Secondly... 'their women'... as if they own them? I always have a problem with
this turn of frase.
Also... this paints a picture of men always being hapless idiots who have to be
schooled by their wives which is just as harmfully steriotypical as steriotypes of
women... particularly when people internalise the steriotypes and act according to
them. As steritypes are frequently self fulfilling prophecies.
We learn steriotypes as ways we are supposed to act. Often unconciously.
Originally posted by SuzianneOriginally posted by Suzianne
First off, GB, let me start by saying I do not wish to derail your thread, but something in this thread caught my eye and I wish to comment.
I am sorry that I did not follow this thread from the beginning. Because I missed the initial discussion in this thread about circumcision and someone made the comparison between circumcision and female genital mut ...[text shortened]... y is. Some girls do not survive the experience, it's that bad. Simple circumcision, it is NOT.
First off, GB, let me start by saying I do not wish to derail your thread, but something in this thread caught my eye and I wish to comment.
Suzi, I do appreciate your sense of risk in delving into a minor aspect of the topic which you tried to keep in conversational bounds (though the collective will chose to segue from "The Causes of Atheism" to an anatomical/human sexuality detour).
16) "Atheists ultimately choose not to believe in God. But, as we have seen, this choice does not occur in a psychological vacuum. It is made in response to deep challenges to faith, such as defective fathers and perhaps other emotional or psychological trials. Nor is the choice made in a moral vacuum. Sin and its consequences also impact the will in significant ways (as will be discussed further in the next chapter).These moral-psychological dynamics make it possible to deny the reality of the divine without any (or much) sense of incoherence in one’s worldview. This constitutes the general pattern of the rejection of God and all things religious."
17) "Therefore, however much an atheist scholar, celebrity, or layperson might insist that his or her foundational “reason” for rejecting God is the problem of evil or the scientific irrelevance of the supernatural or some other “rational” consideration, this is only a ruse, a conceptual smokescreen to mask the real issue—personal rebellion. Admirably, some thinkers, such as Nagel and Adler, have admitted that their spurning of faith is based in the will, not reason. Most atheists refuse to admit this. However, as we will see shortly, there are factors involved in the psychology of atheism that make it surprising that anyone would recognize their own will to disbelieve." (4 of 4 excerpts)
https://www.apologetics.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=469:the-causes-of-atheism&catid=96:bonus-content&Itemid=80[/b][/b]
The post that was quoted here has been removedI knew a well-educated man...who considered himself a fine 'Christian gentleman'... On one occasion, however, he apparently felt that I was being rather too (intellectually) provocative, perhaps teasing him a bit too far. Suddenly, he looked me over hard and said, "You know, if you keep this up, you could get yourself beaten and raped." I was shocked. Nothing before with him had prepared me for an apparently threatening remark like that one... As far as I could tell, he seemed to believe that at the end of the day he was right and I should 'submit graciously' to his authority.
Any idea if the following might have played into his attitude?
1 Timothy
11A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. 12But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 13For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. 14And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. 15But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint.
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The post that was quoted here has been removedTone is hard to read/convey in forum posts.
I didn't take what you wrote personally at all, and I agree with what you just
wrote.
I was considering making almost the exact same point to RJHinds to the effect
that some men will take an out and out clear rejection very badly and that thus
women often 'let men down easy' to avoid agression.
Perhaps if you start from the perspective that I generally agree with you on this
topic [where I have read your posts] and wasn't taking your post personally and
maybe my post will read clearer/better... possibly.
EDIT: I think the missunderstanding came from my first answer.
My point was not "I'm not like that"... although I'm not...
My point was that 'Men' don't have a secret club where we all gather round and
agree stuff. I litterally just don't know the answer to that question, I know the
answer I would like it to be, and suspect that the real answer would probably
not match up. I can't put myself into the mindset of the people you're talking about
probably any more than you can. Just as I can't understand how or why people
believe in gods or astrology.