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8) "Perhaps what is most remarkable about James’s study is that, despite his empirical bent, he not only remained open to the veracity of the hundreds of reports of spiritual encounters chronicled in his research, but he actually concludes by noting his belief in the supernatural:"

9) "Name it the mystical region, or the supernatural region, whicheve ...[text shortened]... ay willfully refuse to believe certain truths, even when there is strong evidence for them."
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11) "James makes his point using the illustration of a mountain climber who is unsure as to whether he can make it safely across a difficult pass. If he succeeds, he will go on to safety. But if he fails, death awaits. Can he make it? He will never know either way until he actually ventures."

12) "James makes his point using the illustration of a mountain climber who is unsure as to whether he can make it safely across a difficult pass. If he succeeds, he will go on to safety. But if he fails, death awaits. Can he make it? He will never know either way until he actually ventures. James makes a similar point about many philosophical issues, where the evidence alone is inconclusive. The lesson he draws is that faith is practically necessary. He concludes: “In the average man . . . the power to trust, to risk a little beyond the evidence, is an essential function. . . . We cannot live or think at all without some degree of faith.”

James’s insight on the practical necessity of faith points to the crucial role played by the will and personal desires when it comes to belief. One of the absurd dogmas of the modern period—which, alas, remains alive and well in the academy today—was that the will is or, at any rate, can be perfectly neutral when it comes to the formation of belief. As a master psychologist, James saw the foolishness of this notion. In his short but influential essay, “The Will to Believe,” James explains how this is especially the case when it comes to belief in the reality of moral values. He declares, “If your heart does not want a world of moral reality, your head will assuredly never make you believe in one.”

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Do you know what year Michelangelo painted the Sixteenth Chapel?

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Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
11) "James makes his point using the illustration of a mountain climber who is unsure as to whether he can make it safely across a difficult pass. If he succeeds, he will go on to safety. But if he fails, death awaits. [b]Can he make it? He will never know either way until he actually ventures."

12) [i]"James makes his point using the illu ...[text shortened]... does not want a world of moral reality, your head will assuredly never make you believe in one.”[/b]
13) "More than a century after these words were penned, James’s insight is not very controversial, especially in our postmodern intellectual milieu, which prizes the diminution of reason in the formation of beliefs. But, of course, the new atheists are anything but postmodern. In fact, they are fierce modernists who regard the scientific method as the final tribunal of all truth claims. To them, James’s thesis about the will to believe (or to disbelieve) is no doubt bothersome. How much more so, then, must be the words of fellow atheists who confess this psychological dynamic in themselves when it comes to God. Recall the candid reflections of philosopher Thomas Nagel: “I want atheism to be true. . . . It isn’t just that I don’t believe in God, and, naturally, hope that I’m right about my belief. It’s that I hope there is no God! I don’t want there to be a God; I don’t want the universe to be like that.” Nagel is to be commended for his honesty, though it is a shame that as a philosopher he should so blatantly subjugate his quest for truth to his personal desires. One can only wonder why he doesn’t want the universe “to be like that.”

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Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Do you know what year Michelangelo painted the Sixteenth Chapel?
After the 15th he took a year off so it was 2 years later than that.

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Originally posted by wolfgang59
After the 15th he took a year off so it was 2 years later than that.
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Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
13) "More than a century after these words were penned, James’s insight is not very controversial, especially in our postmodern intellectual milieu, which prizes the diminution of reason in the formation of beliefs. But, of course, the new atheists are anything but postmodern. [b]In fact, they are fierce modernists who regard the scientific method as th ...[text shortened]... is personal desires.[/i] One can only wonder why he doesn’t want the universe “to be like that.”
14) "There is also the popular author and educator Mortimer Adler, who recognized that the nature of religious belief is such that it “lies in the state of one’s will, not in the state of one’s mind.” Adler rejected religious commitment because it “would require a radical change in my way of life, a basic alteration in the direction of day-to-day choices as well as in the ultimate objectives to be sought or hoped for. . . . The simple truth of the matter is that I did not wish to live up to being a genuinely religious person.” Happily, Adler did not reject the faith his entire life but converted to Christianity in his eighties."

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Too right.

I can support every word of this post.

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Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
14) "There is also the popular author and educator [b]Mortimer Adler, who recognized that the nature of religious belief is such that it “lies in the state of one’s will, not in the state of one’s mind.” Adler rejected religious commitment because it “would require a radical change in my way of life, a basic alteration in the direction of day-to-day ...[text shortened]... , Adler did not reject the faith his entire life but converted to Christianity in his eighties."[/b]
15) "Recently Slate editor David Plotz provided another confirmation of James’s thesis. Reflecting on his reading of the Old Testament, Plotz says, “How do I as a Jew cling to a God who seems to be so unmerciful so much of the time and so cruel so much of the time? That’s very troubling. Do I want such a God to exist? I don’t know that I do.” In one sense, Plotz’s point is quite understandable. Who wants to believe in an unmerciful and cruel deity? But notice his apparent willingness to reject belief even if such a deity does exist. This is a conscious choice on his part and another case in point when it comes to the will to deny God. To the frank testimonies of these intellectuals we can add many of the cases chronicled by Johnson and Jones that well illustrate the “will to believe”—or, in this case, the will to disbelieve—when it comes to God and religious faith."

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Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
15) "Recently Slate editor David Plotz provided another confirmation of James’s thesis. Reflecting on his reading of the Old Testament, Plotz says, “How do I as a Jew cling to a God who seems to be so unmerciful so much of the time and so cruel so much of the time? That’s very troubling. Do I want such a God to exist? I don’t know that I do.” [b]In one ...[text shortened]... to believe”—or, in this case, the will to disbelieve—when it comes to God and religious faith."
One of my favorite passages on empirical proof of Christ's claims and the will to "be believing" is in John 20:27.

Jesus presents His wounds for Thomas to closely examine with his own eyes quite scientifically. But Jesus also adds the words - "and do not be unbelieving, but believing."

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Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Do you know what year Michelangelo painted the Sixteenth Chapel?
The most famous of the painters, Mike did his part in the sisteenth century.

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It's depressing that this is still the case and still needs to be said.

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