The Con Game

Originally posted by sonship

[b]Accepting millions of years of past history make evolution more believable and turns many away from the truth of the Holy Bible as it presents a created world by God.

It could also be a realization that the ruler over a past destroyed empire could do nothing to repair what had been made waste and void. It could also prove that ...[text shortened]... so strengthen our understanding of God being the Most High that no rebel could EVER be like Him.[/b]

Originally posted by sonship

someone doing this is less worthy than an atheist doing good deeds and being honest.

We saw an example of your "honesty" on the thread where you're chaffing at the bit to call Moses a terrorist. You lied about the first round of negotiations between God and Pharaoh. Your malicious twisting of the story demonstrated your "being honest" - ...[text shortened]... fraud who didn't read [b]Exodus chapter five but wants to expound on it just to slander God.[/b]

"Satan" means "Resister," or opposer. The word "devil" means "slanderer" and thus refers to someone who tells malicious lies about others Actually they are belonging to one powerful spirit creature. Both the Bible and world events show that he is a real person and Satan is diametrically opposed to God. God did not create a wicked creature in opposition to himself. Rather, one of the angelic "sons of God" developed a selfish desire to seize for himself the worship rightfully belonging to The Almighty God . (Job 38:7; James 1:14, 15) This desire led him to embark on a course of rebellion against God. The Bible explains the process of self-corruption this way: "Each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire. Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin; in turn, sin, when it has been accomplished, brings forth death."—James 1:14, 15. This is apparently what happened.

Originally posted by RJHinds
What could have happened is just more speculation. The Holy Bible tells us what did happen.

Originally posted by sonship
So we take what happened - [b]the earth was without form and void.
For further details see Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14.

Remember God did not create the world waste (Isaiah 45:18).[/b]

The atmosphere of Earth is a layer of gases surrounding the planet Earth that is retained by Earth's gravity. The atmosphere protects life on Earth by absorbing ultraviolet solar radiation, warming the surface through heat retention (greenhouse effect), and reducing temperature extremes between day and night (the diurnal temperature variation).

The common name given to the atmospheric gases used in breathing and photosynthesis is air. By volume, dry air contains 78.09% nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen,[1] 0.93% argon, 0.039% carbon dioxide, and small amounts of other gases. Air also contains a variable amount of water vapor, on average around 1% at sea level, and 0.4% over the entire atmosphere. Although air content and atmospheric pressure vary at different layers, air suitable for the survival of terrestrial plants and terrestrial animals currently is only known to be found in Earth's troposphere and artificial atmospheres.

When God led the Israelites out of Egypt, He did not take them on the most logical route according to distance. He took them by another way. His reason was that the people might be afraid and want to go back to Egypt.

Exodus 13:17,18 - "Now when Pharaoh let the people go, God did not lead them by the way of the land of the Philistines, although that was near; for God said, Perhaps the people will change their minds when they see war and return to Egypt.

Thus God led the people around by the way of the wilderness to the Red Sea. And the children of Israel went up arrayed for battle out of the land of Egypt."

Why do I mention this in light of the current discussion?

The whole revelation of God to man is a leading of willing humanity out from the kingdom of a immensely powerful enemy of God whose limits we are not completely aware of. God probably has His reasons why the route of information WE might expect is the not the route of revelation that He deems best.

There is a way He will lead people to Himself. And what He reveals about the dangers He desires our minds to avoid He will keep to Himself. What hints He deems us to be informed of are according to His wisdom of what we should know.

I think all that occurred between Genesis 1:1 and 2 is not ours now to know. We'd like to know. And we may think the most logical route through the great truths of the history of the universe should call for God to tell us everything. But He has not told us everything.

Perhaps we will look back on the then revealed ancient past of the cosmos and the earth and understand what a foe God saved us from.

Originally posted by sonship
When God led the Israelites out of Egypt, He did not take them on the most logical route according to distance. He took them by another way. His reason was that the people might be afraid and want to go back to Egypt.

[b] Exodus 13:17,18 - "Now when Pharaoh let the people go, God did not lead them by the way of the land of the Philistines, altho ...[text shortened]... n revealed ancient past of the cosmos and the earth and understand what a foe God saved us from.

Originally posted by RJHinds
God has told us enough about it for us to know that there is not billions or millions of years between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2, so there is no need for wild speculations.

Originally posted by sonship
There's no need for YEC speculative hyper evolution changing dinosaurs so drastically after they disembarked off of the ark to account for the fact that they're not around any more.

Originally posted by RJHinds
There is no YEC speculation about anything changing dinosaurs, especially not by the imaginary evolution theory.

There is no YEC speculation about anything changing dinosaurs, especially not by the imaginary evolution theory.

American Standard Version
He moveth his tail like a cedar: The sinews of his thighs are knit together.

HNV (Hebrew Names Version)
He moves his tail like a cedar: The sinews of his thighs are knit together.


King James Version
He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together

NIRV
New International Reader's Version
Its tail sways back and forth like a cedar tree. The tendons of its thighs are close together.

NIV
New International Version
His tail sways like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are close-knit

NKJV
New King James Version
He moves his tail like a cedar; The sinews of his thighs are tightly knit

MSG
The Message
His tail sways like a cedar in the wind; his huge legs are like beech trees

WBT
The Webster Bible
He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his male organs are wrapped together

TMB
Third Millennium Bible
He moveth his tail like a cedar the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.

TNIV
Today's New International Version
Its tail sways like a cedar; the sinews of its thighs are close-knit.

Originally posted by sonship

There is no YEC speculation about anything changing dinosaurs, especially not by the imaginary evolution theory.

I need a few days to look back over things I read to see where I base this. If I can't find it concerning dinosaurs, I'll take it back.

In the mean time the [b]Behemoth of Job 40 need not necessarily be a dinosa ...[text shortened]... nd the leviathan in Job conceivably fits well with a large crocodile or alligator.[/b]

Originally posted by RJHinds
No. The hippo does not work. Try again. 😏

Originally posted by sonship
Did you ask the hippo? God knows whether the hippo works or not.
Besides, you never saw any dinosaur work.

Cheer up.

Behemoth means kingly, gigantic beasts. The Bible’s best description of a dinosaur-like animal is recorded in Job chapter 40. “Look at the behemoth, which I made along with you and which feeds on grass like an ox. What strength he has in his loins, what power in the muscles of his belly! His tail sways like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are close-knit. His bones are tubes of bronze, his limbs like rods of iron. He ranks first among the works of God…”(Job 40:15-19)

Here God describes a great king of the land animals like some of the biggest dinosaurs, the Diplodocus and Apatosaurus. It was a gigantic plant-eater with great muscles and very strong bones. The long Diplodocus had leg bones so strong that he could have held three others on his back.

God tells us that He created all the land animals on the 6th day of creation, the same day that he created mankind. Man and dinosaurs lived at the same time. There was never a time when dinosaurs ruled the Earth. From the very beginning of creation, God gave man dominion over all that was made, even over the dinosaurs.

" The lotus plants cover him with their shade ..." (Job 40:21)

RJ, a lutus flower grows from 3 to 8 feet in the water.
Some people have proposed that the Behemoth is a Brachiosaurus.

I have never been able to imagine an animal that extended up to 30 feet could be covered in a body of water with lotus flowers at most 8 feet high.

The dinosaur would have to be lying on his side in the river to get his long neck and head in the shade of any lotus flower.

What is the "work" that you propose we should understand the Brachiosaurus to be doing anyway ?

Originally posted by RJHinds

Here God describes a great king of the land animals like some of the biggest dinosaurs, the Diplodocus and Apatosaurus. It was a gigantic plant-eater with great muscles and very strong bones. The long Diplodocus had leg bones so strong that he could have held three others on his back.

"They grow to 10.8 to 16.5 feet (3.3 to 5 meters) long and up to 5.2 feet (1.6 m) tall from hooves to shoulders. The tail adds another 13.75 to 19.75 inches (35 to 50 centimeters) to its length. The average female weighs around 3,000 lbs. (1,400 kilograms) while males weigh 3,500 to 9,920 lbs. (1,600 to 4,500 kg) according to the San Diego Zoo."

"Hippos spend up to 16 hours a day submerged in rivers and lakes to keep their massive bodies cool under the hot African sun."

"At sunset, hippopotamuses leave the water and travel overland to graze. "

" They may travel 6 miles (10 kilometers) in a night, along single-file pathways, to consume some 80 pounds (35 kilograms) of grass. "

"They are the third-largest type of land mammal by weight (between 1½ and 3 tonnes): the only heavier species on average are the white and Indian rhinoceroses, and the elephants. The hippopotamus is one of the largest quadrupeds and, despite its stocky shape and short legs, it can easily outrun a human. Hippos have been recorded as running at 30 km/h (19 mph) over short distances. The hippopotamus is a highly aggressive and unpredictable animal and is ranked among the most dangerous animals in Africa."

"Though they're sometimes thought of as cute and cuddly, hippos can actually be quite dangerous; they kill about 3,000 per year, "

" Hippos are very aggressive creatures and are very dangerous. They have large teeth and tusks that they use for fighting off others that they see as threats, including humans. Sometimes, their young are the victims of their temper. During a fight between two adults, a young hippo can be hurt or crushed.

Though hippos move quite quickly through the water, they can't swim. According to the San Diego Zoo, hippos move through the water by pushing themselves off other objects."

God tells us that He created all the land animals on the 6th day of creation, the same day that he created mankind. Man and dinosaurs lived at the same time. There was never a time when dinosaurs ruled the Earth. From the very beginning of creation, God gave man dominion over all that was made, even over the dinosaurs.

Concerning the Leviathan (Job 41:1). The mention of a "tongue" is problematic for a crocodile.

"Can you draw out Leviathan with a hook, or press down his tongue with a cord?" (v.1)

However. "Who can open the doors of his face? Around his teeth is terror." (v.14) fits well with any croc.

Likewise the crocodile is quick enough to chop your hand in a lightning quick bite like this verse -

"Lay your hand on him, And remember the battle, you will never do it again!"