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Originally posted by ivanhoe
"How the state views abortion is a matter for the state to decide."

I hope the State comes to the conclusion that unborn citizins also deserve the States' protection and the upholding of the unborns' basic human right, the Right to Life.

and there are people that think that decision is best left to the woman and doesnt require State action.

The one thing Im legally sure of is in the US a fetus has no Constitutional status as a citizen.

You are against abortions so dont have one.
Here's a deal let Ratzinger get himself pregnant and carry to full term and show that God really is against abortions,,which btw most are spontaneous and therefore acts of God.

Originally posted by frogstomp
and there are people that think that decision is best left to the woman and doesnt require State action.

The one thing Im legally sure of is in the US a fetus has no Constitutional status as a citizen.

You are against abortions so dont have one.
Here's a deal let Ratzinger get himself pregnant and carry to full ...[text shortened]... really is against abortions,,which btw most are spontaneous and therefore acts of God.

and there are people that think that decision is best left to the woman and doesnt require State action.

There are people who think the global community should not intervene in Rwanda, as well.

Originally posted by lucifershammer
[b]and there are people that think that decision is best left to the woman and doesnt require State action.

There are people who think the global community should not intervene in Rwanda, as well.[/b]

as many as there was when the side thats being butchered now were doing the butchering?

bring me up to speed here,, at first the Tsu-tse butchered the hutu then the hutu butchered the tsu-tse ...someting about one tribe being taller and therefore superior to the shorter one.

my question is Who's doing the butchering this time?

Originally posted by frogstomp
as many as there was when the side thats being butchered now were doing the butchering?

Are you justifying the current set of butchers then?

Originally posted by lucifershammer
Are you justifying the current set of butchers then?

I didnt say that ,,but I would like to know if the people that want me to sharpen my bayonet and charge off into the hills to supress it aren't trying to leave the other one as a Fait Accompli


btw there's an old saying among professional soldiers :
"If you don't want a nasty war, don't make war on civilians, because they don't follow the rules of warfare."

Originally posted by frogstomp
and there are people that think that decision is best left to the woman and doesnt require State action.

The one thing Im legally sure of is in the US a fetus has no Constitutional status as a citizen.

You are against abortions so dont have one.
Here's a deal let Ratzinger get himself pregnant and carry to full ...[text shortened]... really is against abortions,,which btw most are spontaneous and therefore acts of God.

and there are people that think that decision is best left to the woman and doesnt require State action.

This is a very legalistic point of view. It doesn't address the moral acceptability of abortion at all. It merely states a procedure. In fact your stance avoids this question.


Frog: "Here's a deal let Ratzinger get himself pregnant and carry to full term and show that God really is against abortions,,which btw most are spontaneous and therefore acts of God"

You really should lay off the booze.

Originally posted by ivanhoe
and there are people that think that decision is best left to the woman and doesnt require State action.

This is a very legalistic point of view. It doesn't address the moral acceptability of abortion at all. It merely states a procedure. In fact your stance avoids this question.


Frog: "Here's a deal let Ratzinger get himself pre ...[text shortened]... w most are spontaneous and therefore acts of God"

You really should lay off the booze.

awwwwwww cant the Vicar of Christ pull off one measly miracle?

Originally posted by frogstomp
awwwwwww cant the Vicar of Christ pull off one measly miracle?

Lay off the booze, froggy .....

Originally posted by ivanhoe
and there are people that think that decision is best left to the woman and doesnt require State action.

This is the wisest choice.

Originally posted by ivanhoe
Lay off the booze, froggy .....

that garbage wont work on me ,,cry baby

learn a different wailing song

Originally posted by lucifershammer
As a Catholic, I believe that God has endowed His Church with the charism of infallibility (the inability to teach false moral and dogmatic doctrines).

Is this infallibility shared by any other religious orders, or is His Church unique in its perfection?

When there are two Popes are they both infallible?

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
This is the wisest choice.

"and there are people that think that decision is best left to the woman and doesnt require State action"

I never said this.

My comment on this statement was that this is a very legalistic stance, one that does not adress the moral permissability of abortion at all.It refers to a procedure not to a substantial stance.

It leaves the woman in the dark about what is morally permissable.

Originally posted by ivanhoe
It leaves the woman in the dark about what is morally permissable.

You may as well tattoo "I am a misogynist" on your forehead.

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
Is this infallibility shared by any other religious orders, or is His Church unique in its perfection?

When there are two Popes are they both infallible?

nah its easy to tell the right one, he's da one that can do miracles.
it he cant he dont speak for God.

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
You may as well tattoo "I am a misogynist" on your forehead.

Please stop the cliclés

Yes, it leaves the woman in the dark about the permissability of abortion.

That's a fact and as such it is a misogynistic indifferent stance.

The advice to a woman to kill her own off-spring is misogynistic and anti-human. The act of abortion affects the dignity of women. It affects their humanity.