The Garden of Eden

Originally posted by galveston75
Just the view of the bible that satan loves all to have....

Not merely my personal opinion. Consult any competent history of the Bible; you will find the points which I summarized to be confirmed.

It was recognized early in the Christian movement that the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles did not answer all questions pertaining to salvation. Ecumenical Councils were convened to address and clarify the remaining issues. If, after a thorough examination of the findings of Ecumenical Councils (the first was convened in Nicea in 325), you have not found answers to your questions (for example about the Garden of Eden), then you may rest assured that the matter is not essential to your salvation.

Originally posted by moonbus
Not merely my personal opinion. Consult any competent history of the Bible; you will find the points which I summarized to be confirmed.

It was recognized early in the Christian movement that the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles did not answer all questions pertaining to salvation. Ecumenical Councils were convened to address and clarify the remaining ...[text shortened]... e Garden of Eden), then you may rest assured that the matter is not essential to your salvation.

Still the result of satans influance which is to discredit God's word the Bible.

Seems a little of the same tricks satan used on Eve which was to discredit God's words.

So I'll take God's words anyday, anytime over anything earthling man says against his Bible.

Originally posted by galveston75
So I'll take God's words anyday, anytime over anything earthling man says against his Bible.

It seems incongruous to see you make this type of grandstanding statement about following only what's written in the Bible when you support the endangering of people's lives through the the withholding of blood transfusions which is demonstrably not in the bible; despite your flimsy pinhole arguments that it is.

Originally posted by galveston75
Still the result of satans influance which is to discredit God's word the Bible.

Seems a little of the same tricks satan used on Eve which was to discredit God's words.

So I'll take God's words anyday, anytime over anything earthling man says against his Bible.

To say that 'The Garden of Eden' story is allegorical does not "discredit" the Bible ~ if anything, it makes the Bible more credible. The same can be said for the six day creation story.

Originally posted by FMF
To say that 'The Garden of Eden' story is allegorical does not "discredit" the Bible ~ if anything, it makes the Bible more credible. The same can be said for the six day creation story.

You say it's a parable? Prove it!

Also I do not believe the earth and universe were created in six days. Gods time table is different then humans as in a day with God is a thousand years to us...

Originally posted by galveston75
You say it's a parable? Prove it!

Also I do not believe the earth and universe were created in six days. Gods time table is different then humans as in a day with God is a thousand years to us...

I agree. It probably took 6,000 years to create the earth and universe. It's no easy task, even for God.

Originally posted by galveston75
You say it's a parable? Prove it!

I said I believe it is allegorical. If it's allegorical, then it has some credibility. If it's supposedly "literally true" then it's a fairy tale.

Originally posted by galveston75
Also I do not believe the earth and universe were created in six days. Gods time table is different then humans as in a day with God is a thousand years to us...

So the story of the six day creation is allegorical.

Originally posted by FMF
If it's supposedly "literally true" then it's a fairy tale.

That's an irrational statement.

"Supposedly" is irrelevant to whether it's literal or not. If it is literal, then your claim of it being a fairy tale is without bearing, and has no relevancy to the subject.

If creation took seven days, and if it is true, then it's not a fairy tale. If it is allegorical, and still true, then it's just an allegory of the truth.

If it's a fairy tale, then it's just not true, but you have absolutely no way of knowing it's not true.

Originally posted by josephw
That's an irrational statement.

"Supposedly" is irrelevant to whether it's literal or not. If it is literal, then your claim of it being a fairy tale is without bearing, and has no relevancy to the subject.

The "supposedly" refers to fact that galveston75 believes/supposes that the fairy story/allegory is "literally true". There is nothing "irrational" about what I am saying here.

Originally posted by HandyAndy
I agree. It probably took 6,000 years to create the earth and universe. It's no easy task, even for God.

It's not that God couldn't do it in any amount of time he desided to create but according to the Bible his time keeping is different then ours.
And I seriously doubt it was a tall task at all for him.
Why do you think it was? Do you know his power or abilities?

Originally posted by galveston75
Still the result of satans influance which is to discredit God's word the Bible.

Seems a little of the same tricks satan used on Eve which was to discredit God's words.

So I'll take God's words anyday, anytime over anything earthling man says against his Bible.

You're eating the menu and missing the meal.

Originally posted by galveston75
It's not that God couldn't do it in any amount of time he desided to create but according to the Bible his time keeping is different then ours.

Then the story that talks about it happening in six days is an allegory if it is seeking to encapsulate billions and billions of years of natural processes.

Originally posted by galveston75
It's not that God couldn't do it in any amount of time he desided to create but according to the Bible his time keeping is different then ours.
And I seriously doubt it was a tall task at all for him.
Why do you think it was? Do you know his power or abilities?

You still haven't explained how a tree growing out of the ground who's real actual fruit can have the power to not only affect the human "eyes" (not the brain if we are being literal here) in such a way as to enable them to suddenly be able to know good and evil (which are cognitive concepts), but also provide the world with sin.

That's quite and achievement for something growing out of the soil and which incidental, despite having all this fruit, immediately went into extinction.

Originally posted by josephw
That's an irrational statement.

"Supposedly" is irrelevant to whether it's literal or not. If it is literal, then your claim of it being a fairy tale is without bearing, and has no relevancy to the subject.

If creation took seven days, and if it is true, then it's not a fairy tale. If it is allegorical, and still true, then it's just an allegory of the ...[text shortened]... a fairy tale, then it's just not true, but you have absolutely no way of knowing it's not true.

Do you believe the genisis account of the garden of Eden to be literal?