17 Aug 14
Originally posted by lemon limeAs I read the text I do not blame Eve, but Adam who was there and had
So iyo the tree might have actually been what, a family tree? If it's not a literal tree then what does the word "tree" represent?
It's not enough for you to claim symbolism without showing (or at least hinting at) what that symbolism means or represents. If everything in that story is literally a figurative prop in order to make a point, then what in ...[text shortened]... corner don't panic. You can always paint a door on the wall and escape... figuratively speaking.
that conversation with God who should have stopped her.
Kelly
17 Aug 14
Originally posted by divegeesterIt had nothing to do with a man or woman being more or less
Are women not morally less accountable for sin then do you think?
accountable due to gender. Adam was told by God what would happen if
Adam ate of the tree, then God made Eve. So that conversation took
place before Eve was there, she knew so someone told her. Adam knew
not second hand like Eve, but right from God Himself. So that is why I
believe Adam not Eve should have the most guilt in that deed.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayBut the tree, WAS the tree of life, the tree that gave eternal life and for healing. The WAY to the tree was guarded by cherubim and a flaming sword that turned every way. Jesus is the WAY and the LIFE and the word of god is described as a sword so sharp it divided bone and marrow.
No, Jesus said I am the Way, the Truth, the Life.
That tree was what it was, God gave us life.
Kelly
Do you think the flaming sword is also a literal sword? Do you think the Bible (the word) is actually a sharp sword in disguise? "The word was God" do you think God is actually a book?
Here's more for you literalists.
Revelation 22:2
"Through the middle of the street of the city; also, on either side** of the river, the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations."
Here is the tree of life again in revelation (correctly titled: The Revelation of Jesus Christ). With the "12 types of fruit" - do you think that this tree actually has 12 fruits that are different? 12 types of life fruit?
Do you think we should find these leaves for healing?
Or should we actually THINK about what we believe and why?
**how can one tree be on both sides of the river at the same time? And more importantly WHY would it be depicted so in a book titled "the revelation of Jesus Christ"?
17 Aug 14
Originally posted by divegeesterHebrews 4:12
But the tree, WAS the tree of life, the tree that gave eternal life and for healing. The WAY to the tree was guarded by cherubim and a flaming sword that turned every way. Jesus is the WAY and the LIFE and the word of god is described as a sword so sharp it divided bone and marrow.
Do you think the flaming sword is also a literal sword? Do you thin ...[text shortened]... ld find these leaves for healing?
Or should we actually THINK about what we believe and why?
For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
If this is the passage you are refering to with respect to "as a sword..."
it doesn't say it is a sword only that it is sharper than one.
We are not being kept away from Jesus by a cherubim, so the tree is just
a tree even though it is the tree of life. I don't recall where it said it did
anything, I don't think we were forbidden to eat of it till after the fall of
man. Once the fall occured, God kept us from being eternally alive in a
damned state by keeping us from that tree.
Kelly
17 Aug 14
Originally posted by KellyJayOh dear are we going to have to go through every single basic metaphor and simile in the Bible before you actually stop and consider what you think you believe.
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
If this is the passage you are refering to with respect to "as a sword..."
it doesn't say it is a sword only that it is sharper than one.
We a ...[text shortened]... , God kept us from being eternally alive in a
damned state by keeping us from that tree.
Kelly
Ephesians 6:17
Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
I'm willing to engage on this because it's interesting, but you need to make sense and not just make claims such as "the tree of LIFE" is a real tree, when it is stark staring obvious that it is one of hundreds of representations of the revelation of Jesus Christ.
17 Aug 14
Originally posted by divegeesterI'm not interested in going through every single basic metaphor and
Oh dear are we going to have to go through every single basic metaphor and simile in the Bible before you actually stop and consider what you think you believe.
Ephesians 6:17
Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
I'm willing to engage on this because it's interesting, but you need to make sense and n ...[text shortened]... staring obvious that it is one of hundreds of representations of the revelation of Jesus Christ.
simile in the Bible with you or anyone else. I do believe there are
metaphors and similes in the Bible, but I also believe that some stories
are stories because they speak of real events. Now, can I be wrong about
some and not others, yes.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayWe'll as a litmus test for that statement; based on this exchange of posts, do you accept that the tree of life is symbolic?
I do believe there are metaphors and similes in the Bible, but I also believe that some stories are stories because they speak of real events. Now, can I be wrong about some and not others, yes.