The Garden of Eden

Originally posted by divegeester
do what?

give consideration as to why your compadre makes truth claims he cannot substantiate because it raises a whole hosts of questions. How is he to be trusted? what about the veracity of his other claims? Does he know what he is saying? How stable is he etc etc etc

Originally posted by FMF
Neither of us is willing to state that the Bible passage in question is true. Its veracity has no advocate in this conversation.

No but you are willing to state that its false, without a shred of evidence.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
What actual factual information does your post contain?

The fact that it was not written by an eye witness. The fact that it was written long after the event it purports to describe. There is also the fact that even you are steadfastly unwilling to state whether or not the Biblical account is true.

Originally posted by FMF
The fact that it was not written by an eye witness. The fact that it was written long after the event it purports to describe. There is also the fact that even you are steadfastly unwilling to state whether or not the Biblical account is true.

the fact that it was not written by an eye witness? how do you know it was not written by an eye witness? is this another of your truth claims that you cannot substantiate? and even if it was not written by an eye witness it does not necessitate that its a fabrication, for the events could very well have been factually reported by someone who did witness it and who recorded those facts.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No but you are willing to state that its false, without a shred of evidence.

There are verbatim quotes ~ in quotation marks ~ in the passage and yet there is no evidence that the conversation was witnessed by the writer. Indeed, it may have been written decades later.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
the fact that it was not written by an eye witness? how do you know it was not written by an eye witness? is this another of your truth claims that you cannot substantiate?

If you want to claim that it was written by an eye witness then be my guest. There is no evidence that it was.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
give consideration as to why your compadre makes truth claims he cannot substantiate because it raises a whole hosts of questions. How is he to be trusted? what about the veracity of his other claims? Does he know what he is saying? How stable is he etc etc etc

I was answering your question, stupid.

Originally posted by FMF
If you want to claim that it was written by an eye witness then be my guest. There is no evidence that it was.

Its your claim not mine, so is this another of your unsubstantiated assertions, a failure to make good on anything you say, my goodness you are digging a hole for yourself.

Originally posted by FMF
There are verbatim quotes ~ in quotation marks ~ in the passage and yet there is no evidence that the conversation was witnessed by the writer. Indeed, it may have been written decades later.

this proves nothing with the exception that you don't have any proof for any of the claims you have made with regard to the veracity of scripture.

Originally posted by divegeester
I was answering your question, stupid.

were you?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
this proves nothing with the exception that you don't have any proof for any of the claims you have made with regard to the veracity of scripture.

Well if what you say about what I have said is true, then neither of has any proof regarding the veracity of the scripture that describes the Pilate Jesus conversation. If neither of us wants to state that we think the account is true, then whether you think I have proved anything to you is moot.

Originally posted by FMF
Well if what you say about what I have said is true, then neither of has any proof regarding the veracity of the scripture that describes the Pilate Jesus conversation. If neither of us wants to state that we think the account is true, then whether you think I have proved anything to you is moot.

if you ever manage to rustle up anything which substantiates your truth claims let me know, ill be around, but until that day you will be known as a man who cannot make good on his word, an unsteady man, blown hither and zither by every wind of teaching.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
if you ever manage to rustle up anything which substantiates your truth claims let me know, ill be around, but until that day you will be known as a man who cannot make good on his word, an unsteady man, blown hither and zither by every wind of teaching.

Confronted with the suggestion that the account is fictionalized, your immediate reaction was to hide your own beliefs away and refuse to state what you think the truth actually is. For pages and pages you have refused to claim that the passage is "true". It has been interesting to watch you defending the veracity of the Bible in this way.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
if you ever manage to rustle up anything which substantiates your truth claims let me know, ill be around, but until that day you will be known as a man who cannot make good on his word, an unsteady man, blown hither and zither by every wind of teaching.

You should turn your super debating powers onto Galveston who without any corroboration whatsoever thinks that the Tree of Life was a real tree with roots and 12 different kinds of life giving fruits and healing leaves. He claims this tree was destroyed with the Garden of Eden in Noah’s flood. All this without one shred of corroborating evidence not even scripture.

Originally posted by divegeester
Why won't robbie carrobie state that the account is true? I don't get that..

He is hamstrung by some unguarded things [in terms of his own ideology, that is] that he said to Proper Knob several pages back. He knows Proper Knob will bring those statements up if robbie states what he believes about the passage being discussed.