19 Aug 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo your defence of the veracity of this particular Bible passage rests on you being very careful NOT to claim it is "true". Seems rather odd.
so you keep saying, problem is, you have not provided a shred of evidence for your claim, have you. I have not made the statement that the account is fictional , you have, therefore the onus is not on me as you have erroneously assumed, its on you to make good on your claim. I will ask you once again, do you often make claims that you cannot substantiate?
19 Aug 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No lets establish that the Bible contains accurate factual information about real historical personages in stark contrast to the unfounded and now demonstrably ludicrous assertion that its fictional. A statement made by you.
Originally posted by HandyAndy
Let's start at the top: The Book of Genesis.
Aside from some actual people and place names, the stories presented in this book are largely based
on myth and legend, or so it seems. Are you able to provide some scientific evidence or documentation
that any of the events described in the Book of Genesis really happened?
Simple question, yes or no.
The issue is not whether real people and real places are sometimes included in fictional accounts.
The issue is whether the events described qualify as fact or fiction. Are you able to provide scientific
evidence or documentation that any of the events described in the Book of Genesis really happened?
Yes or no.
19 Aug 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI think I have demonstrated amply that you are unable to establish the veracity of the Bible passage purporting to be an account of Pilate's meeting with Jesus. You aren't even willing to claim that it's a "true" account. Does anyone claim it is a "true" account? Maybe someone who is willing to state their belief that it is true and able to show it to be so will come to your rescue.
Its seems rather odd to make a truth claim and then be unable to substantiate it, don't you think?
19 Aug 14
Originally posted by HandyAndySo lets get this straight, the Bible contains accurate details of personages and events like Pontius Pilate and the crucifixion of Christ, based on archaeology and a well respected secular historian, but its actually fiction. Can you tell us how you arrived at this in the case of Pilate and Christ?
[quote]Originally posted by HandyAndy
Let's start at the top: The Book of Genesis.
Aside from some actual people and place names, the stories presented in this book are largely based
on myth and legend, or so it seems. Are you able to provide some scientific evidence or documentation
that any of the events described in the Book of Genesis really ...[text shortened]... n that any of the events described in the Book of Genesis really happened?
Yes or no.
19 Aug 14
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Originally posted by FMFwhat I am able or unable to do has no relevancy to your ability to substantiate the claims you make, has it. Do you often make claims you cannot substantiate? How are we then to trust anything you say for you seem a man unsteady in all your ways, blown hither and zither by every wind of teaching, unable to substantiate anything he says.
I think I have demonstrated amply that you are unable to establish the veracity of the Bible passage purporting to be an account of Pilate's meeting with Jesus. You aren't even willing to claim that it's a "true" account. Does anyone claim it is a "true" account? Maybe someone who is willing to state their belief that it is true and able to show it to be so will come to your rescue.
19 Aug 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobiePlease stop changing the subject. The question relates to the Book of Genesis. Have you read it?
So lets get this straight, the Bible contains accurate details of personages and events like Pontius Pilate and the crucifixion of Christ, based on archaeology and a well respected secular historian, but its actually fiction. Can you tell us how you arrived at this in the case of Pilate and Christ?
19 Aug 14
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Originally posted by HandyAndyI am not changing the subject, you have stated that the Bible is fictional, how have you arrived at that conclusion based on the empirical evidence that I have provided. Is Pilate a mythical figure? Was he not procurator of Judea as the Bible accurately details? Did he not put Christ to death in the reign of Tiberius as the Bible accurately depicts? Please tell us Andy how you have arrived at the conclusion that these personages and events are fictional.
Please stop changing the subject. The question relates to the Book of Genesis. Have you read it?
19 Aug 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe burden of proof regarding the conversation between Pilate and Jesus is your not mine. You pointedly don't want to claim that the account of the conversation is true. Your defence of the veracity of the Bible passage is therefore unconvincing.
what I am able or unable to do has no relevancy to your ability to substantiate the claims you make, has it. Do you often make claims you cannot substantiate? How are we then to trust anything you say for you seem a man unsteady in all your ways, blown hither and zither by every wind of teaching.
19 Aug 14
Originally posted by FMFI have said nothing abut it, the burden of proof rests with you to make good on your claim that its fictional no matter how you may try to deflect the onus to other people. Do you often make claims that you cannot substantiate?
The burden of proof regarding the conversation between Pilate and Jesus is your not mine. You pointedly don't want to claim that the account of the conversation is true. Your defence of the veracity of the Bible passage is therefore unconvincing.
19 Aug 14
Perhaps there is someone else here who can establish the veracity of the Bible passage giving an account of a conversation between Pilate and Jesus? robbie, in his efforts to demonstrate the veracity of the Bible, has somehow ended up refusing to state whether this account is true or not. Is there anyone else who can make the case?