19 Aug 14
Originally posted by divegeesteragain i have not said a single thing about the tree of life but we should thank you for demonstrating the matter at hand, your belief in your own propaganda has lead you to make delusional claims and to build further delusional arguments on top of that resulting in nothingness, empty statements devoid of substance and reality. Perhaps you had best fly your balloon somewhere else, if you continue to inflate it with these empty non realities it may reach a point where it bursts and you will come crashing down, a smoldering wreck on the forum floor.
You are claiming that the tree of life in the garden of Eden was a real tree (aren't you?). Galveston claims the tree of life is now destroyed in the flood. All this without one piece of corroborative evidence and despite the fact the tree is mentioned in the book of revelation and is clearly symbolic. Your pretensious posturing must be embarrassing for other Jehovah's Witness.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou really are trying too hard to be funny, robbie.
again i have not said a single thing about the tree of life but we should thank you for demonstrating the matter at hand, your belief in your own propaganda has lead you to make delusional claims and to build further delusional arguments on top of that resulting in nothingness, empty statements devoid of substance and reality. Perhaps you had best f ...[text shortened]... a point where it bursts and you will come crashing down, a smoldering wreck on the forum floor.
Pontious Pilate is a real historical figure but can what the Bible claims about what he said or did with regard to Jesus be corroborated?
19 Aug 14
Originally posted by divegeesterI do not agree or disagree, i have said nothing about it and will not be proffering any opinion beyond what is discernible from scripture. What is once again clear and it was self evident from what lemon lime said, you are not interested in these things, you are simply trying to catch fools and not having any luck it seems. Perhaps you might change your approach, these hackneyed FMF style postings are too transparent to fool anyone, they are a gag, a plastic bag on a monument to the spiritual edifice that you have built for yourself.
So you don't agree with Galveston when he says the tree is real and was destroyed with the garden of Eden in the flood?
19 Aug 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI reckon you should take this kind of stuff to the Clans Forum, robbie.
I do not agree or disagree, i have said nothing about it and will not be proffering any opinion beyond what is discernible from scripture. What is once again clear and it was self evident from what lemon lime said, you are not interested in these things, you are simply trying to catch fools and not having any luck it seems. Perhaps you might change ...[text shortened]... re a gag, a plastic bag on a monument to the spiritual edifice that you have built for yourself.
Originally posted by FMFI am not trying to be anything, that is the third time that you have uttered the falsehood. Perhaps if you had anything other than empty statements your posts would have substance, as it is, its a region of tundra over which the wind blows, probably hot air from your balloon.
You really are trying too hard to be funny, robbie.
Pontious Pilate is a real historical figure but can what the Bible claims about what he said or did with regard to Jesus be corroborated?
so back to the point, does the Bible contain accurate information, corroborated by archeology concerning at least one historical figure, you have not said.
19 Aug 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobiePontious Pilate is a real historical figure, yes. The question you are avoiding is this: can what the Bible claims about what Pontious Pilate said or did ~ with regard to Jesus ~ be corroborated?
so back to the point, does the Bible contain accurate information, corroborated by archeology concerning at least one historical figure, you have not said.
19 Aug 14
Originally posted by FMFOh i am not avoiding it, i am simply keeping to the script, soo we have a confession, the Bible contains accurate historical information about at least one real historical personage, corroborated by archeology. Do you think it might also contain accurate reliable information about any another real historical person? and if so what does this do to Handy Andys claim that its fictional?
Pontious Pilate is a real historical figure, yes. The question you are avoiding is this: can what the Bible claims about what Pontious Pilate said or did ~ with regard to Jesus ~ be corroborated?
19 Aug 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIt's not me who is making HandyAndy's claim. You should address your comments about his word choice to him. My question is can what the Bible claims about what Pontious Pilate said or did ~ with regard to Jesus ~ be corroborated?
Oh i am not avoiding it, i am simply keeping to the script, soo we have a confession, the Bible contains accurate historical information about at least one real historical personage, corroborated by archeology. Do you think it might also contain accurate reliable information about any another real historical person? and if so what does this do to Handy Andys claim that its fictional?
19 Aug 14
Originally posted by FMFbut this is the line of inquiry i am pursuing, if you have nothing to say as to the veracity of the claim that the Bible is fictional then so be it.
It's not me who is making HandyAndy's claim. You should address your comments about his word choice to him. My question is can what the Bible claims about what Pontious Pilate said or did ~ with regard to Jesus ~ be corroborated?
19 Aug 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobieBut what about the veracity of what the Bible claims about what Pontious Pilate said or did ~ with regard to Jesus? Can it be corroborated?
but this is the line of inquiry i am pursuing, if you have nothing to say as to the veracity of the claim that the Bible is fictional then so be it.
robbie, it's pretty obvious why you don't want to answer a simple question as to the veracity of the Bible story about what Pontious Pilate said and did to Jesus. You brought Pontious Pilate into the discussion. And now you're stonewalling because in fact the story in the Bible about what Pontious Pilate supposedly said and did cannot be corroborated and its veracity cannot be established.
19 Aug 14
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Originally posted by FMFIndeed they can, or have you never read Roman historian Tacitus?
But what about the veracity of what the Bible claims about what Pontious Pilate said or did ~ with regard to Jesus? Can it be corroborated?
Such indeed were the precautions of human wisdom. The next thing was to seek means of propitiating the gods, and recourse was had to the Sibylline books, by the direction of which prayers were offered to Vulcanus, Ceres, and Proserpina. Juno, too, was entreated by the matrons, first, in the Capitol, then on the nearest part of the coast, whence water was procured to sprinkle the fane and image of the goddess. And there were sacred banquets and nightly vigils celebrated by married women. But all human efforts, all the lavish gifts of the emperor, and the propitiations of the gods, did not banish the sinister belief that the conflagration was the result of an order. Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired. Nero offered his gardens for the spectacle, and was exhibiting a show in the circus, while he mingled with the people in the dress of a charioteer or stood aloft on a car. Hence, even for criminals who deserved extreme and exemplary punishment, there arose a feeling of compassion; for it was not, as it seemed, for the public good, but to glut one man's cruelty, that they were being destroyed.
Annals, book 15, chapter 44
Perhaps Tacitus made this up to comply with Handy Andys assertion that the Bible is fictional?
19 Aug 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhat is Tacitus' account based on? When did he live? Was he a witness to the events portrayed in the Bible?
Indeed they can, or have you never read Roman historian Tacitus?
Such indeed were the precautions of human wisdom. The next thing was to seek means of propitiating the gods, and recourse was had to the Sibylline books, by the direction of which prayers were offered to Vulcanus, Ceres, and Proserpina. Juno, too, was entreated by the matrons, first, ...[text shortened]... , but to glut one man's cruelty, that they were being destroyed.
Annals, book 15, chapter 44