The Garden of Eden

Originally posted by lemon lime
I wasn't contradicting what I said, I was contradicting what you said.

Apparently there are two ways of interpreting this passage, and you seem determined to take advantage of this apparent discrepancy. But there is no discrepancy when the passage is taken in context, and not out of context as you have done.

"in the day that you" simply refers to th ...[text shortened]... g or able to go. I thought you might be leading up to something else, but it appears this is it.

This has actually been explained to him previously in other discussions and as I see with no affect on his reasoning ability on what "a day" can mean.

Originally posted by galveston75
This has actually been explained to him previously in other discussions and as I see with no affect on his reasoning ability on what "a day" can mean.

Is not defining the word "day" in different ways at different times in the same literature ~ so as to bolster a particular ideological approach to the interpretation of the text ~ isn't it simply what is commonly known as 'cherry picking'?

Originally posted by FMF
Is not defining the word "day" in different ways at different times in the same literature ~ so as to bolster a particular ideological approach to the interpretation of the text ~ isn't it simply what is commonly known as 'cherry picking'?

Maybe by some who do not think out the surrounding facts. Adam did not die within that 24 hour day. But he did die withing a thousand years which was within "God's day".
God did not kill Adam as he was still going to have children with his wife Eve. If God had killed Adam then the human race would have ended then in the garden.
So no cherry picking here, just seeing the obvious.

Originally posted by galveston75
Maybe by some who do not think out the surrounding facts. Adam did not die within that 24 hour day. But he did die withing a thousand years which was within "God's day".
God did not kill Adam as he was still going to have children with his wife Eve. If God had killed Adam then the human race would have ended then in the garden.
So no cherry picking here, just seeing the obvious.

What you have written could be an example of 'cherry picking' in a text book. That you happen to look upon your own selectivity as "just seeing the obvious" does not alter the fact that it is 'cherry picking'.

Originally posted by FMF
What you have written could be an example of 'cherry picking' in a text book. That you happen to look upon your own selectivity as "just seeing the obvious" does not alter the fact that it is 'cherry picking'.

So what do you not agree with?

Originally posted by galveston75
So what do you not agree with?

I am simply making the observation that you have an ideology and you are willing to be inconsistent about the meaning of words in support of that ideology.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Pin me down on what, it is a story, names and places are given so unlike
the other things you talked about, I take that mean it occurred. Therefore
the names and places are real.
Kelly

You said that you accepted at the tree was real because it was written "in scripture", but elsewhere in this thread you accept that the scripture contains "similes" and "metaphors". So I'm trying to pin you down on this:

Is everything in scripture literal or not?

Originally posted by lemon lime
I wasn't contradicting what I said, I was contradicting what you said.

Apparently there are two ways of interpreting this passage, and you seem determined to take advantage of this apparent discrepancy. But there is no discrepancy when the passage is taken in context, and not out of context as you have done.

"in the day that you" simply refers to th ...[text shortened]... g or able to go. I thought you might be leading up to something else, but it appears this is it.

I'm not interested in the explanation of your contradiction [itself], I'm interested in you contradicting yourself after being such a blowhard in this this thread.

Here again is what you said to another poster (so how you were "contradicting me" is not clear):

Originally posted by lemon lime
"the day" means the day he eats of that fruit. It doesn't mean he will die on that day. Cause and effect. If you do this, then that will surely happen. If I say you will surely die, it doesn't mean you will die right now. It just means that it will surely happen.

Here you are claiming that what the bible states is not actually what it means I.e. When it says "the day" it actually means some day in the future.

From the book itself:
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

Not some time in the future.

Originally posted by galveston75
This has actually been explained to him previously in other discussions and as I see with no affect on his reasoning ability on what "a day" can mean.

I've never discussed this with you before. Ever.

Are you aware of when you are lying? Do you even realise you are doing it? Do you realise that making this statement here in this post is you lying?

Originally posted by galveston75
Maybe by some who do not think out the surrounding facts. Adam did not die within that 24 hour day. But he did die withing a thousand years which was within "God's day".
God did not kill Adam as he was still going to have children with his wife Eve. If God had killed Adam then the human race would have ended then in the garden.
So no cherry picking here, just seeing the obvious.

Where is it stated in the bible that the garden of Eden was destroyed in the flood as you claimed in this thread and yet have been unable to corroborate in scripture?

Originally posted by FMF
I am simply making the observation that you have an ideology and you are willing to be inconsistent about the meaning of words in support of that ideology.

And willing to add to scripture.

Originally posted by divegeester
I'm not interested I the explanation of your contradiction, I'm interested in you contradicting your self after being such a blowhard in this this thread. Here again is what you said to another poster ( so how you were "contradicting me is not clear"😉:

Originally posted by lemon lime
[b]"the day" means the day he eats of that fruit. It doesn' ...[text shortened]... ot actually what it means I.e. When it says "this day" it actually means some day in the future.

It could have meant what you said, however...

Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it’:

“Cursed is the ground for your sake;
In toil you shall eat of it
All the days of your life.
Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you,
And you shall eat the herb of the field.
In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread
Till you return to the ground,
For out of it you were taken;
For dust you are,
And to dust you shall return.”

(Genesis 3:17-19)

It is obvious from what God told Adam on the day he ate of the tree that God expected Adam to live more than just that one day for God says to Adam that he would toil "All the days of your life." So we know from this that God was referring to the day that Adam ate of the tree and not to the day that Adam would die, for Adam went on to live over 900 years before he died.

Originally posted by RJHinds
It is obvious from what God told Adam on the day he ate of the tree that God expected Adam to live more than just that one day.

It's also "obvious from what [the Bible says] God told Adam on the day he ate of the tree" that the story is allegorical.

Originally posted by FMF
Is not defining the word "day" in different ways at different times in the same literature ~ so as to bolster a particular ideological approach to the interpretation of the text ~ isn't it simply what is commonly known as 'cherry picking'?

are you saying that the term 'day', cannot have different connotations and shades of meaning in a work which consists of 66 books written by over forty authors over a period of 1500 years? really? you expect the term to be used consistently by each author, in every book in every epoch? Can you explain why that should be the case? If not then you accusation of 'cherry picking', is unfounded, unsubstantiated and has no more substance than air in a hot air balloon.

Originally posted by FMF
It's also "obvious from what [the Bible says] God told Adam on the day he ate of the tree" that the story is allegorical.

and yet when asked you can provided a single iota of evidence to substantiate your claim. Do you really expect the people here to take you at your word when you have been caught making similar truth statements without a shred of evidence?