The Garden of Eden

Originally posted by divegeester
I don't understand your question.

I think the consensus is that you are a symbolic christian, what do you symbolize?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I think the consensus is that you are a symbolic christian, what do you symbolize?

What consensus?

Originally posted by divegeester
Is everything that is in scripture literal? For example do you believe the feet of clay and other symbolisms in Daniel as real feet of clay?

You asked me this before and I answered you, my answer has not changed.
Kelly

Originally posted by divegeester
Are you saying that death was present in creation before Adam's sin?

I'm saying I don't know, I know 'we' were not going to die until we had
to pay the wages of sin. That does not mean that plants, and animals were
in the same boat.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
You asked me this before and I answered you, my answer has not changed.
Kelly

I'm not clear - you posted this on the previous page:

Originally posted by KellyJay
The scripture says it is a tree, what do you want from me. It says it is a
tree, I take it that it was a tree.

Meaning that if it says something in scripture then you take it at face value and it is literal. So, I'm asking you if you really believe this and thereby believe that the feet of clay in Daniel (for example) are literal feet of clay?

Originally posted by KellyJay
I'm saying I don't know, I know 'we' were not going to die until we had
to pay the wages of sin. That does not mean that plants, and animals were
in the same boat.
Kelly

Well the bible days that "death entered the world through sin". Surely the world includes the garden of Eden. So why would you even consider that the soil in the garden was in some way contaminated by that death before sin had actually entered?

Originally posted by divegeester
Well the bible days that "death entered the world through sin". Surely the world includes the garden of Eden. So why would you even consider that the soil in the garden was in some way contaminated by that death before sin had actually entered?

Good point.
Kelly

Originally posted by divegeester
I'm not clear - you posted this on the previous page:

Originally posted by KellyJay
[b]The scripture says it is a tree, what do you want from me. It says it is a
tree, I take it that it was a tree.

Meaning that if it says something in scripture then you take it at face value and it is literal. So, I'm asking you if you really believe this and thereby believe that the feet of clay in Daniel (for example) are literal feet of clay?[/b]

My answer on page 18 has not changed.
Kelly

Originally posted by divegeester
What consensus?

the consensus that you are a symbolic christian reached between myself and lemonlime, so what do you symbolize?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
the consensus that you are a symbolic christian reached between myself and lemonlime, so what do you symbolize?

That's very small consensus and I'm not convinced of the veracity of the sample.

Originally posted by divegeester
That's very small consensus and I'm not convinced of the veracity of the sample.

you were not asked if you were convinced you are being asked what do you symbolize? if you cannot understand the question what hope is there for you to formulate an answer.

Originally posted by KellyJay
My answer on page 18 has not changed.
Kelly

Thank for the reference to page 18; I think you are referring to this post by yourself:

"I'm not interested in going through every single basic metaphor and
simile in the Bible with you or anyone else. I do believe there are
metaphors and similes in the Bible, but I also believe that some stories
are stories because they speak of real events."

But what m trying to pin you down on is that you are now defending your position that the tree of life is real by saying "it's in scripture". You seem to be arguing both sides, that a) it's in scripture so must be taken at face value, and b) we should recognise that there are smilies and metaphors in scripture.

Which is your position, you cannot have it both ways.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you were not asked if you were convinced you are being asked what do you symbolize? if you cannot understand the question what hope is there for you to formulate an answer.

Robbie, do you really think I give a rats ass what you and that pompous blowhard Lemon Lime have voted for in your little consensus?

Originally posted by lemon lime
Wow! You went to all that trouble, but still couldn't be bothered to look it up in Genesis to see for yourself.

I wasn't talking about an exact location, and if you were to look and see what it says in Genesis you would see the name of rivers used as landmarks. At least one of those rivers still exists today. So the flood didn't entirely ...[text shortened]... Hawaii, Alaska, the lost city of Atlantis, on Mars or Jupiter... the possibilities are endless.

I have read Genesis, many times. And I recognize it as a powerful legend that imparts a compelling message.

The passage describing the Garden of Eden (Genesis 2:8-14) refers to four rivers which no longer exist, if they
ever did exist. The present day Tigris and Euphrates may or may not have any connection with the fictional
"Tigris" and "Euphrates" mentioned in that passage. You and I have no way of knowing, since the Great Flood
obliterated everything.

You and the others who demand a literal reading of Biblical tracts are doing a serious disservice to the countless Christians who aren't so gullible. We look upon the Bible as a work of legend and myth with an inspirational
message. Your dismissive, condescending attitude only weakens your argument. You might learn a few things
if you dusted off your brain instead of your Bible.

Originally posted by divegeester
Robbie, do you really think I give a rats ass what you and that pompous blowhard Lemon Lime have voted for in your little consensus?

so you symbolize emptiness, gotcha.