The Garden of Eden

Originally posted by FMF
Is robbie carrobie, by any chance, obese? Is that why he is being so evasive?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
If i knew, i would say, but i don't so i cant.

I come from a large family and my first wife who passed away a few years ago also had a large family. Notice I said she "had" a large family.
On her side at least 90% of those relatives who died were all from smoking related issues. Most of her family smoked.
On my side of relatives who have died, at least 75% of those deaths were all from smoking related issues.
So I have seen in person that smoking does in fact affect ones life, their quality of life and in fact it does shorten ones life.
And as Robbie has mentioned it can directly harm the life of others around them who do not smoke from even within the womb.

So I don't understand how anyone here could even start to argue that smoking is not a wrong thing to do to ones own body and would not be condemned by God and be considered unclean?

Originally posted by galveston75
So I don't understand how anyone here could even start to argue that smoking is not a wrong thing to do to ones own body and would not be condemned by God and be considered unclean?

Originally posted by FMF
I will ask you the same question robbie is studiously deflecting from.

If the person engaged in it knows of the pollution or dirt involved and the potential impact on their lungs or body, do you think working in a coal mine, wading through sewage, cooking with wood in a confined space, and riding around Jakarta on a motorcycle without protecting their breathing are "forbidden in scripture"?

Originally posted by galveston75
You know there are thousands of questions you could ask our view on and all we could answer is you have to look to the Bible and it's laws and principles and guidelines which is where we find answers to guide us.

Originally posted by galveston75
I just posted a comment on smoking and you seem to ignor it with no comment. So that tends to show you may not really be interested in a real discussion but are only here to argue.

Originally posted by galveston75
I just posted a comment on smoking and you seem to ignor it with no comment.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
We'll surely using your powers of logic, rational thought and discernment you could come to a rather swift conclusion. Surely it's not hard.

Originally posted by galveston75
I come from a large family and my first wife who passed away a few years ago also had a large family. Notice I said she "had" a large family.
On her side at least 90% of those relatives who died were all from smoking related issues. Most of her family smoked.
On my side of relatives who have died, at least 75% of those deaths were all from smoking re ...[text shortened]... wrong thing to do to ones own body and would not be condemned by God and be considered unclean?

Originally posted by FMF
As you well know, because I have just told you, I am not talking about "active" smoking ~ I already know your personal opinion on that. I am asking: Do you believe that passive smoking [something 'done' by a person who is not smoking a cigarette but who is instead 'passively smoking' someone else's cigarette smoke] is "forbidden in scripture"?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I have not said you were talking about active smoking you old windy scopurgebag and i have already answered the question with reference.

Originally posted by FMF
Do you think that things like sexual intercourse with children, cannibalism, rape, female genital mutilation are, alongside smoking cigarettes, all examples of "defilement of the flesh"?

Originally posted by galveston75
Ok. I personally would say that morals or the lack of, defilement, ones consciense, black and white right and wrong are all intertwined.
So why does one person view something as being dead wrong and another views it as not? How does one completely know if something is riight or wrong?
If one is not interested in God's view or what he says in the Bib ...[text shortened]... have the same guidelines. What is wrong in my eyes is probably not wrong in yours. Fair enough?

Originally posted by galveston75
If one is not interested in God's view or what he says in the Bible then it gets really complicated and probably not going to be easy to answer as we do not have the same guidelines.