Spirituality
25 Oct 21
@kellyjay saidYou are such a blooming liar and a complete waste of time. My concerns were stated in crystal clear language in the 2nd post of the first page and it is only now at the end of the 3rd page, the 45th post of this thread you are addressing the points I raised. I write very clearly, and in simple English and nobody can say that they do not understand what I say.
So you are just a guy; what is it about you that makes you so important that anyone should listen to you? You run others down personally and disparage their words without being able to, or are willing to, put up something you believe in for comparison if you are right about all of this as you seem to think you are, you keep it all hidden, in the dark out of sight. The points ...[text shortened]... your point; you are not showing why it is wrong through specific quotes and reasons why it is wrong
In any case what you posted does not properly represent the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Plus you have twisted and changed the wording of those bible verses. What version of the bible are you quoting?
The KJV says
When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. (Mark 2:17 KJV)
You say:
Mark 2:17 And when Jesus heard it, he said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners.”
Your exclusion of the words "to repentance" changes the meaning of the entire sentence. If you did that deliberately then you are a crook and cannot be trusted.
Here is how I know your version of the gospel is wrong . Very early in the ministry of Jesus Christ he had preached the Gospel and he had taught the disciples who were sent out to preach as well, and they also preached the Gospel of Christ, all over Israel. Soon after the Sermon on the Mount, early in the ministry of Christ, which Matthew and Luke recorded, Jesus said:
Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached. And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me. (Luke 7:22-23 KJV)
If you are a wise man truly wanting the truth instead of promoting your church doctrine you will try to understand what Gospel did Jesus preach up to that point when he made that statement that he had already preached the Gospel
Up to that point NOTHING YOU POSTESD AS THE GOSPEL was preached by Jesus Christ. Note Jesus said blessed is the man who believes what he says ie believes the Gospel that he preached thus far. You clearly dont.
28 Oct 21
@rajk999 saidRepentance is part of it; yes, you are correct there. We are sinners; we need to repent, but still, God working in us that matters; we can change our minds and do different things, but without the grace of God, there is no salvation. Thank you for your reply.
You are such a blooming liar and a complete waste of time. My concerns were stated in crystal clear language in the 2nd post of the first page and it is only now at the end of the 3rd page, the 45th post of this thread you are addressing the points I raised. I write very clearly, and in simple English and nobody can say that they do not understand what I say.
In any ...[text shortened]... e man who believes what he says ie believes the Gospel that he preached thus far. You clearly dont.
28 Oct 21
@kellyjay saidWhy are you evading the point and refusing to answer the question.
Repentance is part of it; yes, you are correct there. We are sinners; we need to repent, but still, God working in us that matters; we can change our minds and do different things, but without the grace of God, there is no salvation. Thank you for your reply.
WHAT IS THE GOSPEL THAT JESUS SAID HE PREACHED?
Are you accepting that you do not preach the same Gospel preached By Christ?
28 Oct 21
@rajk999 saidNo, I'm saying the Gospel is Jesus Christ, His Work, His Words, He is the good news which is the Gospel.
Why are you evading the point and refusing to answer the question.
WHAT IS THE GOSPEL THAT JESUS SAID HE PREACHED?
Are you accepting that you do not preach the same Gospel preached By Christ?
28 Oct 21
@kellyjay saidNO, that is your church gospel. You are not in a position, neither do you have the authority to determine what the Gospel is. Jesus is the authority and the author of the Gospel. Not you.
No, I'm saying the Gospel is Jesus Christ, His Work, His Words, He is the good news which is the Gospel.
You are confusing several things in the bible which I can identify but if I tell you Im sure you will stubbornly repeat the same foolishness you regurgitating over and over.
28 Oct 21
@rajk999 saidSo you say
NO, that is your church gospel. You are not in a position, neither do you have the authority to determine what the Gospel is. Jesus is the authority and the author of the Gospel. Not you.
You are confusing several things in the bible which I can identify but if I tell you Im sure you will stubbornly repeat the same foolishness you regurgitating over and over.
@kellyjay saidIs all about what Jesus said... I have demonstrated that what you call the gospel is not preached by Christ. It is a simple matter really. Jesus preached the Gospel, HIS GOSPEL, and then he sent out the 12 disciples and the 70 disciples all over Israel to preach the very same thing . Nothing you say even comes close to what Jesus had preached up to the point in Luke 7 where Jesus said he preached the gospel.
So you say
Your gospel is way off the mark, and that is not a problem if you want to believe another gospel. I do not think churches like yours will be condemned for changing and adding to the Gospel of Christ, as long as it is in the bible. What you posted as the gospel is actually in the bible but it is NOT part of the Gospel of Christ.
The problem is that churches like yours are fixated on the WRONG GOSPEL and condemn people who do not believe as you do, and will condemn people who believe the RIGHT Gospel.
29 Oct 21
@rajk999 saidChurches like mine? What church do I go to?
Is all about what Jesus said... I have demonstrated that what you call the gospel is not preached by Christ. It is a simple matter really. Jesus preached the Gospel, HIS GOSPEL, and then he sent out the 12 disciples and the 70 disciples all over Israel to preach the very same thing . Nothing you say even comes close to what Jesus had preached up to the point in Luke 7 where ...[text shortened]... d condemn people who do not believe as you do, and will condemn people who believe the RIGHT Gospel.
29 Oct 21
@rajk999 saidYou made claims I don’t recall your demonstrations.
Is all about what Jesus said... I have demonstrated that what you call the gospel is not preached by Christ. It is a simple matter really. Jesus preached the Gospel, HIS GOSPEL, and then he sent out the 12 disciples and the 70 disciples all over Israel to preach the very same thing . Nothing you say even comes close to what Jesus had preached up to the point in Luke 7 where ...[text shortened]... d condemn people who do not believe as you do, and will condemn people who believe the RIGHT Gospel.
29 Oct 21
@rajk999 saidWhat do you mean when you say the word Gospel? What does that word mean as you understand it?
Is all about what Jesus said... I have demonstrated that what you call the gospel is not preached by Christ. It is a simple matter really. Jesus preached the Gospel, HIS GOSPEL, and then he sent out the 12 disciples and the 70 disciples all over Israel to preach the very same thing . Nothing you say even comes close to what Jesus had preached up to the point in Luke 7 where ...[text shortened]... d condemn people who do not believe as you do, and will condemn people who believe the RIGHT Gospel.