21 Mar 07
Originally posted by amannionIt's proof to the individual but not the wider community . So yes God is knowable and testable but only to the individual. He proves himself one at a time. The problem is we want to know God exists before we seek him. But it's the other way round.
That's true but you can't mix and match your arguments as you like.
If one takes your position then fine, you know god but have no proof of its existence.
However, there are some on these threads who I think would argue that their knowing god constitutes proof of its existence.
That's a whole different story.
21 Mar 07
Originally posted by knightmeisterThat's bad luck for me then, since I will never seek it. Indeed I reject the notion of a god.
It's proof to the individual but not the wider community . So yes God is knowable and testable but only to the individual. He proves himself one at a time. The problem is we want to know God exists before we seek him. But it's the other way round.
But having grown up around a mostly Christian family and working everyday with Chrsitians I understand your perspectives.
21 Mar 07
Originally posted by howardgeeWhat I mean is from the world's perspective Christianity is insane. But from God's perspective what the world does is insane. If you think that what happens out there is all fine and dandy then Christ will mean little to you. What seems sane to the world is potty to God.
"Christianity is insane , but then to me the world is insane anyway."
Well, this is quite an admission from you!
Religion is insane (I prefer the word "unsane"😉, and the reason the world is insane is because there are so many bladdy religious people like you in it!
21 Mar 07
Originally posted by amannionThere's no luck involved , only choice. The test is there. Seek and you will find. You choose not to seek so you will never find? What have you got to lose by seeking?
That's bad luck for me then, since I will never seek it. Indeed I reject the notion of a god.
But having grown up around a mostly Christian family and working everyday with Chrsitians I understand your perspectives.
21 Mar 07
Originally posted by knightmeisterAh no, from my perspective, I have nothing to gain.
There's no luck involved , only choice. The test is there. Seek and you will find. You choose not to seek so you will never find? What have you got to lose by seeking?
I reject the notion that the world might operate with supernatural entities - full stop. From your perspective that makes my life the poorer - but rather, I think the complete opposite.
I'm more than happy to seek out truth and seek out meaning and seek out all the things that make a life worth living. But that won't include ghots, faeries, demons, or gods. At least, not for me.
21 Mar 07
Originally posted by scottishinnzI don't ......... I am taking a chance based on what to me is reasonable and probable. I do not need to know 100% that it is true only enough to be convincing to me. If I waited for 100% certainty I would never do anything.
So how do you know it's not just your mind playing tricks on you?
21 Mar 07
Originally posted by amannionThen I wish you well on your journey of discovery. You may end up seeking anyway. If you honestly pursue truth and what is of value in this world with integrity and raw honesty then you will end up stumbling into God at some point even though you may not realise it when you do.
Ah no, from my perspective, I have nothing to gain.
I reject the notion that the world might operate with supernatural entities - full stop. From your perspective that makes my life the poorer - but rather, I think the complete opposite.
I'm more than happy to seek out truth and seek out meaning and seek out all the things that make a life worth living. But that won't include ghots, faeries, demons, or gods. At least, not for me.
BTW What is a ghot?
21 Mar 07
To knightmeister:
I'm not saying you're right or wrong or anything. I just want to know something.
1. The "feeling-Jesus'-presence" thing that you experienced, are you really 100% sure that you are not misinterpreting what happened?
2. Do you at least accept the POSSIBILITY that your experience was caused by something ELSE then the "feeling-Jesus'-presence" thing?
3. Why did you post this message on this forum? I'm getting the feeling you do not 'allow' atheists to criticize your statements - you know it all because you had your experience, atheists had no experience so they know nothing - so isn't this in the end just a way of saying "I'm right and I don't need to listen to you!"?
4. What was the experience?
Again: I'm just interested in your answers, in your motivations.
Wallie
P.S. I skipped some messages, hope you do not have to repeat yourself.