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@galveston75 saidYou’re the one who can’t see it, galveston75.
It may not be necessary but it seems every little detail possible has to be laid out and even then they still can't see it....
Let me ask you some questions, and I’m not expecting answers, but ask them of yourself.
1) Did Jesus Christ exist before His birth to the Virgin Mary?
2) If you said “Yes,” did Jesus Christ’s stature change after His birth to the Virgin Mary?
3) Was Jesus Christ Resurrected?
4) After Jesus Christ’s Resurrection, was He of the same stature as He was during His earthly ministry?
Do you understand that Jesus Christ taking on human flesh and subjecting Himself to death made Him of less stature than even angels, who are not subjected to death?
That’s why Hebrews 2 says Jesus was “made a little lower than the angels” to “taste death for every man.”
Do you see now that Jesus Christ during His earthly ministry was not the same Jesus as existed before His birth to the Virgin Mary or after His Resurrection and ascension into Heaven?
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It is true that First Corinthians 15:28 says "And when all things have been subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to Him who has subjected all things to Him, that God man be all in all."
We learn what is written. And we learn what also is written.
It is the will of the Father that the Son be eternally exalted King regardless.
So says Daniel 7:14,15
"I watched in the night visions, and there with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming. And He came to the Ancient of Days, And they brought Him near before Him.
And to Him [the Son of Man] was given dominion, glory, and a kingdom, That all the peoples, nations, and languages might serve Him. His dominion is an eternal dominion, which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one that will not be destroyed."
Regardless of the Son's submissive attitude, it is the Father's will, the Ancient of Days' will, that the Son of Man have an "eternal dominion" . That is part of God being all in all.
It is also written - God speaking of the Son - "But of the Son, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the scepter of your uprightness is the scepter of Your kingdom." (Hebrews 1:8)
You Rajk999, will only retort to the effect that you have not yet been forced to believe the Bible.
@sonship saidThere is nothing in your post that proves that God and Christ are equal. The point remains.
It is true that First Corinthians 15:28 says "And when all things have been subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to Him who has subjected all things to Him, that God man be all in all."
We learn what is written. And we learn what also is written.
It is the will of the Father that the Son be eternally exalted King regardless. ...[text shortened]... You Rajk999, will only retort to the effect that you have not yet been forced to believe the Bible.
God is greater
God has the power
Christ gets his power from God
Christ is subject to God before his ministry
During his ministry
After his ministry
After the millennium
There is NO EQUALITY.
22 Dec 21
@pb1022 saidThere is nothing in your post that proves that God and Christ are equal. The point remains.
You’re the one who can’t see it, galveston75.
Let me ask you some questions, and I’m not expecting answers, but ask them of yourself.
1) Did Jesus Christ exist before His birth to the Virgin Mary?
2) If you said “Yes,” did Jesus Christ’s stature change after His birth to the Virgin Mary?
3) Was Jesus Christ Resurrected?
4) After Jesus Christ’s Resurrection, was ...[text shortened]... as existed before His birth to the Virgin Mary or after His Resurrection and ascension into Heaven?
God is greater
God has the power
Christ gets his power from God
Christ is subject to God before his ministry
Christ is subject to God During his ministry
Christ is subject to God After his ministry
Christ is subject to God After the millennium
There is NO EQUALITY.
22 Dec 21
@rajk999 saidYou are arguing a pointless point, as it has been said, they are equally God, not equal in status the Father is greater.
There is nothing in your post that proves that God and Christ are equal. The point remains.
God is greater
God has the power
Christ gets his power from God
Christ is subject to God before his ministry
Christ is subject to God During his ministry
Christ is subject to God After his ministry
Christ is subject to God After the millennium
There is NO EQUALITY.
22 Dec 21
@pb1022 saidSure I'll answer.
You’re the one who can’t see it, galveston75.
Let me ask you some questions, and I’m not expecting answers, but ask them of yourself.
1) Did Jesus Christ exist before His birth to the Virgin Mary?
2) If you said “Yes,” did Jesus Christ’s stature change after His birth to the Virgin Mary?
3) Was Jesus Christ Resurrected?
4) After Jesus Christ’s Resurrection, was ...[text shortened]... as existed before His birth to the Virgin Mary or after His Resurrection and ascension into Heaven?
1) Yes he did.
2) He became a human. But he was still God's son as he was in heaven.
3) Yes
4) He was resurrected back to heaven as a spirit being just as he was before. He is still God's son.
No one is debating that he didn't become a human and that he died.
Of course angels are a different life form as they are in spirit form.
Humm. Where does the Bible say that angels can't lose their life? Satan and all his demons are all angels. Their obviously not in good standing with Jehovah and in fact will all be eventually destroyed. Right?
So what is it I can't see?
22 Dec 21
@kellyjay saidThats it? Its no wonder you have no credibility around here because you willfully and deliberately set out to deceive people. Jesus was one with the disciples too. The 12 disciples were one as well. That certainly does not make them equal. A man and his wife are one. Nothing in there suggests equality or being one and the same entity
John 10:30
I and the Father are one.”
... Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.(John 17:11 KJV)
You are like a horse with a broken foot, useless and lame.
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22 Dec 21
@rajk999 saidI think you’re making a false comparison between identity and role.
There is nothing in your post that proves that God and Christ are equal. The point remains.
God is greater
God has the power
Christ gets his power from God
Christ is subject to God before his ministry
Christ is subject to God During his ministry
Christ is subject to God After his ministry
Christ is subject to God After the millennium
There is NO EQUALITY.
If a person works at a store, that person is in a subservient role to the store owner, but they are both still people. One is not a greater person than the other. If that were the case, what would happen if the employee quit and started his own store? Would the former employee now be an equal person to his former boss? What if his former boss’ store closed and the former boss went to work for his former employee?
You seem unable to understand that Jesus Christ took on a subservient role to God the Father *willingly* just like He served people *willingly* washed His disciples’ feet *willingly* and went to the cross *willingly.* He wasn’t forced to do any of those things.
You can’t understand someone doing something out of love because you have no love in you - no love for God and no love for your neighbor.
You continually insult people in here and seem obsessed with who in the Trinity has power and who gives orders.
Jesus Christ’s message in the New Testament - love and service - went completely over your head.
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@galveston75 saidI disagree with you on #4 and would love to see a Biblical reference that supports your view Jesus Christ was Resurrected back to Heaven as a “spirit being.”
Sure I'll answer.
1) Yes he did.
2) He became a human. But he was still God's son as he was in heaven.
3) Yes
4) He was resurrected back to heaven as a spirit being just as he was before. He is still God's son.
No one is debating that he didn't become a human and that he died.
Of course angels are a different life form as they are in spirit form.
...[text shortened]... ing with Jehovah and in fact will all be eventually destroyed. Right?
So what is it I can't see?
But I think what you and rajk999 can’t see is the difference between identity and role and that someone can be in a subservient role willingly and voluntarily - not because he is lesser in identity.