11 Jun 18
Originally posted by @suzianneDo you admit that abortion is the killing of a life?
The malice is in those who would take away women's choice to have sovereignty over their own bodies. Only the disgusting "anti-choice" crowd would take what is no doubt one of the toughest decisions a woman can make and ascribe "malice" to it. How hateful can you be?
Or are you in denial, or ignoring that fact to fight for women's rights?
Maybe you don't think it's a life until birth?
I'm very surprised with you on this subject.
Originally posted by @chaney3The subject isn't as clear-cut as you seem to think.
Do you admit that abortion is the killing of a life?
Or are you in denial, or ignoring that fact to fight for women's rights?
Maybe you don't think it's a life until birth?
I'm very surprised with you on this subject.
When do you believe life begins?
The Bible has conflicting information and is open to interpretation as usual. For example the following argues that breath is life:
Okay, first off, this is so important a theological question to an ancient society (When does life enter the body?) that it's laid out right there in Genesis:
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Gen 2:7
So breath is life, and when life is breathed into the earthen vessel that is a human body, it comes alive. "A living soul" as the King James Version gives it. Talking about souls here can be problematic, so lets just talk about life.
Pasted from <http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/3/19/1285933/-Bible-Life-Begins-at-Breath-Not-Conception>
Read the entire article if you're really interested in educating yourself on this subject.
11 Jun 18
Originally posted by @thinkofoneI never said this issue is "clear-cut".
The subject isn't as clear-cut as you seem to think.
When do you believe life begins?
The Bible has conflicting information and is open to interpretation as usual. For example the following argues that breath is life:
[quote]Okay, first off, this is so important a theological question to an ancient society (When does life enter the body?) that i ...[text shortened]... ]
Read the entire article if you're really interested in educating yourself on this subject.
When does life begin?
Originally posted by @chaney3I never said this issue is "clear-cut".
I never said this issue is "clear-cut".
When does life begin?
I didn't say you did. Rather I said, "The subject isn't as clear-cut as you seem to think."
Evidently you think it clear-cut enough to scold Suzianne on her position.
When does life begin?
That's what I asked you.
Did you read the article?
Originally posted by @whodeyBe serious on this one.
Life begins when the secular humanist birth fairy shows up to wave her magic wand over the infant as it exits the womb.
Duh!
When does life begin?
The answer determines the entire abortion controversy.
Suzianne either doesn't care what the answer is, or she thinks life starts at birth, thus removing guilt of any wrongdoing.
11 Jun 18
Originally posted by @whodeyInteresting theory and I defend your right to believe in
Life begins when the secular humanist birth fairy shows up to wave her magic wand over the infant as it exits the womb.
Duh!
her but I don't think the "Secular Humanist Birth Fairy"
exists (although I have no evidence to disprove her existence).
duh
11 Jun 18
Originally posted by @chaney3Why do you think there is an instant when life begins?
When does life begin?
.
Surely it is a gradual process.
A continuum.
Of course at the point of conception there is "life" but only at the same
level as a microbe. Gradually through gestation the embryo attains
higher "levels" of life, there is no single LIFE! moment.
The problem for theists is "When does the soul come into existence?"
11 Jun 18
Originally posted by @wolfgang59Asked in a different way:
Why do you think there is an instant when life begins?
Surely it is a gradual process.
A continuum.
Of course at the point of conception there is "life" but only at the same
level as a microbe. Gradually through gestation the embryo attains
higher "levels" of life, there is no single LIFE! moment.
The problem for theists is "When does the soul come into existence?"
When is abortion not murder?
11 Jun 18
Originally posted by @fmfI'm not a doctor, so I don't the answer.
You've been asking this question on and off for a few years. Given the copious number of answers/opinions you have received, what is your current stance on "when"?
The opinions I've gotten here thus far haven't helped.
But it would make sense to me that life starts immediately in the womb, thus immediate life.
Suzianne and many others seem to disagree.
11 Jun 18
Originally posted by @chaney3OK. Good. Well then, live your life in accordance with this stance. If the opinions you've got thus far from this forum haven't helped, what does it matter? If - for you - "life starts immediately in the womb" [by which I presume you mean when a sperm fertilizes an egg], is that not a position that you can just go with, act upon, promote and share, and vote in accordance with?
But it would make sense to me that life starts immediately in the womb, thus immediate life.
11 Jun 18
Originally posted by @fmfUmmmmm, okay.
OK. Good. Well then, live your life in accordance with this stance. If the opinions you've got thus far from this forum haven't helped, what does it matter? If - for you - "life starts immediately in the womb" [by which I presume you mean when a sperm fertilizes an egg], is that not a position that you can just go with, act upon, promote and share, and vote in accordance with?
What I'm doing here is debating why Suzianne seems to put women's rights over what many seem to consider murder.
As I stated earlier, I am surprised at her casual dismissing of the abortion, in favor of the woman's right to choose, which is condoning murder.
11 Jun 18
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Originally posted by @chaney3How or why are you "surprised" by it? Suzianne doesn't believe she is "condoning murder", you do believe she is. UYou using the word "murder" has no effect on her view. You characterizing her view as "casual" has no effect on her opinion. Her stance on this has been the same as long as I have been here and has been expressed clearly on the umpteen occasions it has come up. What is the element of "surprise" in it for you?
What I'm doing here is debating why Suzianne seems to put women's rights over what many seem to consider murder.
As I stated earlier, I am surprised at her casual dismissing of the abortion, in favor of the woman's right to choose, which is condoning murder.
11 Jun 18
Originally posted by @fmfI'm discussing this today.
How or why are you "surprised" by it? Suzianne doesn't believe she is "condoning murder", you do believe she is. UYou using the word "murder" has no effect on her view. You characterizing her view as "casual" has no effect on her opinion. Her stance on this has been the same as long as I have been here and has been expressed clearly on the umpteen occasions it has come up. What is the element of "surprise" in it for you?
If it has been discussed before and that bothers you in some way, then feel free to simply ignore this thread.
Or, you can add to the discussion with a few thoughts on the subject. But if you've done that in the past, then once again, feel free to ignore this thread.