Thou Shalt Not Kill

Originally posted by @chaney3
I'm discussing this today.

If it has been discussed before and that bothers you in some way, then feel free to simply ignore this thread.

Or, you can add to the discussion with a few thoughts on the subject. But if you've done that in the past, then once again, feel free to ignore this thread.

What are you "surprised" by exactly?

Originally posted by @divegeester
You certainly post a lot for someone who left the site a few weeks ago with a whole thread declaring it.

Yes I recall that thread 'Bye for now' . I took 7-8 weeks off.
Good thread that

Originally posted by @divegeester
You would be ok with torturing certain criminals?

Yep is the short answer

Originally posted by @divegeester
I say old chap, that's not very Zen...

I think its very Zen . Perhaps a little too subtle?

Originally posted by @wolfgang59
Why do you think there is an instant when life begins?
Surely it is a gradual process.
A continuum.

Of course at the point of conception there is "life" but only at the same
level as a microbe. Gradually through gestation the embryo attains
higher "levels" of life, there is no single LIFE! moment.

The problem for theists is "When does the soul come into existence?"

Life is a dream

Originally posted by @divegeester
Choice:

Choice to take strategic long term birth control
Choice to only have unprotected sexual intercourse with a man you love and want to have children with
Choice to use a tactical prophylactic if not
Choice to use a morning after pill as a last resort

Choice
Choice
Choice

Yes, choice. Do you deny that men have freedom of choice in every, single aspect of their lives? So should women.

And yes, consequences come as a direct result of choices. This is as it should be. People on the far-right keep demanding that women "grow up", and yet then they try to deny them the sovereignity that is every adult's right.

Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
Yep is the short answer

And I will do it personally too.
- Child rapists
- Those who steal from the poor and needy
- murderers of parents for money or property ..paid killers
- liars in court that get right verdict overturned.


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Originally posted by @divegeester
But no....let’s wait till the poor bastard is semi formed and then rip it to shreds in the name of choice.

This is patently unfair.

You don't know these women or their circumstances, yet you would judge them by one aspect of their lives they may have had less-than-perfect control of. The RCC is against all forms of contraception, claiming that this circumvents "God's will". And that's only one example.

Many women are perfectly capable of running their own lives. How about if we leave them to it without the blanket condemnation?

Originally posted by @suzianne
Yes, choice. Do you deny that men have freedom of choice in every, single aspect of their lives? So should women.

And yes, consequences come as a direct result of choices. This is as it should be. People on the far-right keep demanding that women "grow up", and yet then they try to deny them the sovereignity that is every adult's right.

Getting an unwanted pregnancy is a direct result of freedom of choice.

Is the baby given a choice when it is killed?

Originally posted by @chaney3
I'm not a doctor,
But it would make sense to me that life starts immediately in the womb, .

No need to prove you are not a doctor!

Originally posted by @wolfgang59
No need to prove you are not a doctor!

And no need to prove you have no idea what you’re talking about.

Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
I really cldn't care what I sound like

Btw this is an example from life. A friend of mine tortured and killed a serial child rapist.

He served 8 years for his 'crime'

Were they in prison together or did he kill him when the rapist got out?

Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
Yep is the short answer

You surprise me.

Hypothetically speaking, do you think it is morally acceptable for a god to torture unbelievers in hell?

Originally posted by @divegeester
You surprise me.

Hypothetically speaking, do you think it is morally acceptable for a god to torture unbelievers in hell?

You forget to add “for eternity.”

You’re slipping, tiger. It’s one thing to be tortured. It’s quite another to be tortured for eternity.

Ya gotta paint the Big Guy in the worst possible light. Eternity, tiger. Eternity!

Originally posted by @wolfgang59
Were they in prison together or did he kill him when the rapist got out?

I’m sure whatever you imagine is the best answer will be fine with Karoly.