Truth .. JW Style

Originally posted by Conrau K
actually my learned and illustrious friend, Galveston in Texas is about as far south as you can go and not be a kick in the bum away from Mexico, that is South America, what is more , the population of those areas is predominately Southern Americans, in fact i can guarantee he has probably met more southern Americans than one could care to mention, there g to work in impoverished conditions. Self-sacrifice is not exclusive to your organisation.[/b]

self sacrifice you say, hmmm 🙂

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
they know the consequences of their actions, believe me. Nobody wants them to be removed, its very very sad, when someone close to you is removed, i know. But there is no alternative, they have left us with none. As for shunning, again the principles are clearly defined and readily understood. I wont heap scriptures upon you due to your sensibili ...[text shortened]... e my people.”  “‘Therefore get out from among them, and separate yourselves,’ says Jehovah,. . .

So, it would be perfectly acceptable for you to shun a former member of your congregation even, hypothetically speaking, that person was a member of your family?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
So, it would be perfectly acceptable for you to shun a former member of your congregation even, hypothetically speaking, that person was a member of your family?

Actually it depends on the circumstances, what it means is that we have no spiritual fellowship with them. For example, there is a couple near where i live, Chinese, both physicists and beautiful people, their daughter is disfellowshiped, yet she still stays at home, eats family meals, goes about her life, but there is no spiritual fellowship. She does not sit in on the family Bible study for example. So you see it depends on the circumstances, perhaps the contact would be minimal if someone was living away from home, for then, what is there to discuss except absolutely necessary family business? But yes, its acceptable, they have chosen their path in full recognition of the consequences, the error is their own! Indeed, how are other family members, particularly young ones to view their course of action, that a bad example is acceptable , no way!

Originally posted by galveston75
Well a couple points here. Jesus's commands would not change and he would still preach the same message now as then because the preaching work has not come to a complition yet. So as the Catholics have not and seemingly never will do this work by all it's members. So the work Jesus said to do would not be accepted by the Catholics now.
But that's one o ...[text shortened]... ne identifying marks that would show who truly are the followers of truth.
1 Cor 1:10

maybe you should keep these numbers in perspective. 33% of the world identiifes as Christian, about 60% of those are Catholic. There are over 1 billion catholics wolrdwide. To say they have not or are not doing the work of Christ in spreading the gospel is both ignorant and laughable. The church became a worldwide church because of the efforts of the priesthood.


oh, and the number of people who identify as Christians in Mexico is 99%, want to guess how many are catholic?

Originally posted by duecer
maybe you should keep these numbers in perspective. 33% of the world identiifes as Christian, about 60% of those are Catholic. There are over 1 billion catholics wolrdwide. To say they have not or are not doing the work of Christ in spreading the gospel is both ignorant and laughable. The church became a worldwide church because of the efforts of the priestho ...[text shortened]... mber of people who identify as Christians in Mexico is 99%, want to guess how many are catholic?

To say they have not or are not doing the work of Christ in spreading the gospel is both ignorant and laughable? Duecer

i cannot remember the last time i was asked by a catholic if i would like to discuss the good news of Gods Kingdom, wait i cannot even remember the first time. That is after all the work that Christ did and left his disciples to accomplish, was it not? What is laughable is that you people are unaware of that fact, how else are we to account for your absence!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
i would think a poor lost sheep like you could do with every scrap of biblical guidance one could get. Awake magazine has at present an average printing of 38,451,000, per month, as per January 2010, and is printed in 82 languages, the Watchtower (peace be upon it) has an average printing of 39,601,000 per month and is printed in 180 languages, no o ...[text shortened]... r there is no bread and no water, and our soul has come to abhor the contemptible bread (manna)

I were just fooling!! 😉 But to compare The awake magazine with "Manna" ?? Now thats the biggest stretch of all. I think Noob scorned it no doubt.
Those numbers are impressive. I think the bible still out sells/prints these.




Manny

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
To say they have not or are not doing the work of Christ in spreading the gospel is both ignorant and laughable? Duecer

i cannot remember the last time i was asked by a catholic if i would like to discuss the good news of Gods Kingdom, wait i cannot even remember the first time. That is after all the work that Christ did and left his disciples t ...[text shortened]... ghable is that you people are unaware of that fact, how else are we to account for your absence!

It's mathematically impossible that the JW's can take full credit for all of the Christian evangelism thats taken place in the world.





Manny

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
To say they have not or are not doing the work of Christ in spreading the gospel is both ignorant and laughable? Duecer

i cannot remember the last time i was asked by a catholic if i would like to discuss the good news of Gods Kingdom, wait i cannot even remember the first time. That is after all the work that Christ did and left his disciples t ...[text shortened]... ghable is that you people are unaware of that fact, how else are we to account for your absence!

your anectdotal evidence not withstanding [hide]sarcasm[/hide] the catholic church is growing at an unbelievable rate in South America and in Africa. care to explain?

Originally posted by menace71
I were just fooling!! 😉 But to compare The awake magazine with "Manna" ?? Now thats the biggest stretch of all. I think Noob scorned it no doubt.
Those numbers are impressive. I think the bible still out sells/prints these.




Manny

yes the Bible still out sells anything in the known history of mankind, THE most widely available and translated book in the universe. Are you saying that the W/T and Awake is not manna ?

Originally posted by duecer
your anectdotal evidence not withstanding [hide]sarcasm[/hide] the catholic church is growing at an unbelievable rate in South America and in Africa. care to explain?

care to explain what, their absence in doing the work of the Lord, i dont think i need to make excuses for them, that's your job!

Originally posted by menace71
It's mathematically impossible that the JW's can take full credit for all of the Christian evangelism thats taken place in the world.





Manny

not only is it mathematically probable, we claim it, you noobs must scrimp and scrape around soup kitchens, bribing people in to the church with hot meals and dreams of warm blankets! or open super churches, win a playstation 3, Jesus loves you! ask Deucer, his church plays bingo on Monday, darts lessons on Tuesday, has a jumble sale on Wednesday, how to oil your sneakers for service on Thursday classes, how not to think of Pizza during the service classes on Friday, Saturday is the Sabbath and Sunday he puts all of these things in to practice for half an hour then its off to crusty burgers for wings and coke!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Actually it depends on the circumstances, what it means is that we have no spiritual fellowship with them. For example, there is a couple near where i live, Chinese, both physicists and beautiful people, their daughter is disfellowshiped, yet she still stays at home, eats family meals, goes about her life, but there is no spiritual fellowship. She ...[text shortened]... rticularly young ones to view their course of action, that a bad example is acceptable , no way!

I'm talking about the deliberate cutting off of someone from a family because they decide to leave the organisation. The complete cutting of ties, no communication at all simply because they wish to leave, is that something you find acceptable?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
I'm talking about the deliberate cutting off of someone from a family because they decide to leave the organisation. The complete cutting of ties, no communication at all simply because they wish to leave, is that something you find acceptable?

again it depends on the circumstances as i have tried to outline to you, every instance is different. It entirely depends upon whether they are baptised or not (if they are not then they cannot be disfellowshiped), what they have done, whether they are repentant, you see you can still be disfellowshiped but realise that your attitude was wrong and you now wish to be reinstated, but you must show works that befit repentance, until you are reinstated, contact is minimal. Its not as cut and dry as you are trying to make it dear Noobster, but yes i totally agree with it. To an outside observer i agree without knowing the principles it may look harsh and unloving, but they have brought it upon themselves by doing something to get disfelowshiped. You see you can drift along and do nothing, but being disfelowshiped must be by a deliberate premeditated act, the error is their own. would you rather we went back to stoning? It all comes down to loyalty to Christ and the congregation, or loyalty to your family, thats the bottom line.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
again it depends on the circumstances as i have tried to outline to you, every instance is different. It entirely depends upon whether they are baptised or not (if they are not then they cannot be disfellowshiped), what they have done, whether they are repentant, you see you can still be disfellowshiped but realise that your attitude was wrong and y ...[text shortened]... own to loyalty to Christ and the congregation, or loyalty to your family, thats the bottom line.

I fully understand that every situation is different and i'm not naive enough to think every 'issue' is black and white. But you do agree with the complete shunning of family members if the need arises. Personally i find that very distasteful.

To an outside observer i agree without knowing the principles it may look harsh and unloving.

I think that maybe the biggest understatement you've ever written. Some people who wish to leave the JW's have had such a traumatic time, they have their own forum to get them through it.

http://exjehovahswitnessforum.yuku.com/directory

Originally posted by duecer
maybe you should keep these numbers in perspective. 33% of the world identiifes as Christian, about 60% of those are Catholic. There are over 1 billion catholics wolrdwide. To say they have not or are not doing the work of Christ in spreading the gospel is both ignorant and laughable. The church became a worldwide church because of the efforts of the priestho ...[text shortened]... mber of people who identify as Christians in Mexico is 99%, want to guess how many are catholic?

So size means they're right in their worship and in following Jesus's command to preach? Nothing in the past history of man has ever confirmed that.
The only ones that preach anything are the priest from the pulpits. And they do not go door to door as Jesus and all his follwers did much less the members. All that's required of them is to show up, pray and kiss some idols, give undue honor to the man on the stage, confess their sins, put money in the collection plate and leave the rest up to their priest who apparently has some unknown power to bless them, forgive their sins and get them saved. So who there even needs Jesus? Their priest and the Pope does it all.