16 Oct 15
Two Options
1) Anxiety, 'Birth, Copulation and Death' [to paraphrase the British Poet T.S. Eliot] or 2) Eternal Life through faith alone in Christ alone.
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten [uniquely born] Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." (John 3: 16-18)
God respects your volition. Choice is yours.
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyDo you think that people can just decide to believe something that they simply do not believe?
1)Anxiety, 'Birth, Copulation and Death' [to paraphrase the British Poet T.S. Eliot] or [b]2) Eternal Life through faith alone in Christ alone. [...] Choice is yours.
Originally posted by divegeesterWell, I'd say ~ in terms of him propagating his religious ideology ~ he's struggling. There is a reason why he has never answered my straight forward question.
He's trolling again.
As soon as I saw the OP I was going to comment but decided instead to guess what your response would be, I was spot on.
He's trolling.
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyTwo Options
1) Anxiety, 'Birth, Copulation and Death' [to paraphrase the British Poet T.S. Eliot] or 2) Eternal Life through faith alone in Christ alone.
Can there be a Third Option?
3) Pretend one believes there is eternal life "through faith alone in Christ alone" when in fact - in all intellectual, spiritual and emotional honesty - one does not believe it is true.
Or does this third option count as part of '1) Anxiety, Birth, Copulation and Death'?
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyOption 2 is not really available.
[b]Two Options
1) Anxiety, 'Birth, Copulation and Death' [to paraphrase the British Poet T.S. Eliot] or 2) Eternal Life through faith alone in Christ alone. [/b]
I choose option 3) Enjoy Birth and copulation and try to keep death away for as long as possible.
I am willing to bet that you too are going for the latter despite your stated belief in an afterlife. Sadly you seem to be suffering from severe anxiety.
17 Oct 15
Originally posted by twhitehead"Choice is yours."
Option 2 is not really available.
I choose option 3) Enjoy Birth and copulation and try to keep death away for as long as possible.
I am willing to bet that you too are going for the latter despite your stated belief in an afterlife. Sadly you seem to be suffering from severe anxiety.
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyHow is it a "choice" if one of the supposed options is not perceived as being credible or, in fact, not perceived as existing at all?
"Choice is yours."
Can you give us an example from your own life where you have decided/chosen to believe something that you did not believe was true or credible?
Originally posted by FMFYour evasiveness (although cute) is not efficacious.
Do you think that people can just decide to believe something that they simply do not believe?
The belief spoken of here is not a belief in the existence of; it is an acceptance of the offer of--- two very different concepts.
You are free to reject the gift on the basis of your rejection of the existence of the gift giver, however, do not attempt to frame the question in a manner inconsistent with the concept presented.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHOne cannot somehow accept an offer of something that one does not believe exists. It is Grampy Bobby who is being evasive on this, not me.
Your evasiveness (although cute) is not efficacious.
The belief spoken of here is not a belief in the existence of; it is an acceptance of the offer of--- two very different concepts.
You are free to reject the gift on the basis of your rejection of the existence of the gift giver, however, do not attempt to frame the question in a manner inconsistent with the concept presented.
17 Oct 15
Originally posted by FMFOriginally posted by FMF
How is it a "choice" if one of the supposed options is not perceived as being credible or, in fact, not perceived as existing at all?
Can you give us an example from your own life where you have decided/chosen to believe something that you did not believe was true or credible?
"How is it a "choice" if one of the supposed options is not perceived as being credible or, in fact, not perceived as existing at all?"
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Did you make a "choice" to reply to this thread's original post? Were there other "options" available to you? Did you, in fact, reply because you were motivated by your own personal reasons to do so? All decisions in this life regarding our two eternal destiny options have favorable or unfavorable consequences. I may return to these site public forums sometime in November, 2015, if able to do so. Stay safe. Be well. Regards, Bob
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyYes. In replying to the thread's original post, I had two options: to reply or not to reply. This was possible because the original post exists in both my mind and in your mind, a point now proved by us both knowing what the content original post was, and by us exchanging messages about it. If the original post had existed only in your mind, then I could not have replied to it, and the "choice" to do so would not have existed either. You need a better analogy than this.
Did you make a "choice" to reply to this thread's original post? Were there other "options" available to you?
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyYou are still dodging the question: do you actually think that a person can simply make a "decision" to believe something that they do not believe is credible or real? If so give us an example of where you managed to do this.
All decisions in this life regarding our two eternal destiny options have favorable or unfavorable consequences.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHThis is muddled thinking. If someone rejects the existence of the gift giver, they are committed to rejecting the existence of the gift as well.
You are free to reject the gift on the basis of your rejection of the existence of the gift giver, however, do not attempt to frame the question in a manner inconsistent with the concept presented.
17 Oct 15
Originally posted by Grampy Bobbysecond choice is clouded by the dark side methinks
[b]Two Options
1) Anxiety, 'Birth, Copulation and Death' [to paraphrase the British Poet T.S. Eliot] or 2) Eternal Life through faith alone in Christ alone.
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten [uniquely born] Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. For God did not send the S ...[text shortened]... ly begotten Son of God." (John 3: 16-18)
God respects your volition. [i]Choice is yours.[/b]