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03 May 16
Originally posted by Rajk999Then who can get in; just you?
The voice of commonsense should tell you to read the whole blooming thing instead of cherrypicking.
Continue reading Ephesians and you will come across this:
[i]For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words ...[text shortened]... o did Paul several times, Peter James and John. Jude and in Revelation .. the story is the same.
Originally posted by divegeesterAccording to Christians it is those who profess faith with their mouth - sonship, KJ, Checkbaiter, Josephw, and YOU ! .. you guys are IN !
Then who can get in; just you?
So Far I have said nothing about ME. .. except that I try to follow Christ.
I discuss doctrine .. nothing more.
03 May 16
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeI did not equate trusting the Lord with trusting other human beings. And what human has a better understanding than the next? Anyone reading this thread will see the many different versions and beliefs, all coming from the same source...the Bible. As an atheist, you cannot adhere to the first part of that proverb, and at the same time, you ONLY lean to your own understanding because you choose* not to believe that God exists.
Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not to your own understanding.
Proverbs 3:5
I think that's a truly awful proverb. Religion consumes the soul that isn't free thinking. Sure, seek guidance when you need it but don't get sucked into a faith that tells you what to believe. (Trust the Lord doesn't equate to trusting other human beings who claim to have a better understanding than you).
I believe that God exists, and it seems that humans can give me advice on how they interpret the Bible, and what they believe about the identity of Christ, the teachings, the afterlife, etc., but in the long run, I will need to gather all that information and hope that God assists in the discernment of that information. I don't really have a problem with admitting that I don't understand it all, and don't mind asking God for help with my own understanding. I like the proverb.
*Reject 😉
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Originally posted by chaney3I think you confuse rejection with not believing. 😛
I did not equate trusting the Lord with trusting other human beings. And what human has a better understanding than the next? Anyone reading this thread will see the many different versions and beliefs, all coming from the same source...the Bible. As an atheist, you cannot adhere to the first part of that proverb, and at the same time, you ONLY lean to yo ...[text shortened]... and don't mind asking God for help with my own understanding. I like the proverb.
*Reject 😉
Chaney, you're a theist, you believe in God. My advice, for what it's worth, is to be satisfied with that for now. In the long run, if God truly does exist, that's probably all that really matters anyway; that you believed in him and strived to live a Godly life.
To be extra safe you should probably also give all your money to atheists.
03 May 16
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeI would be interested in your opinion of Freaky's post on top of page 16. I was waiting for twitehead's reply, or yours, but it seemed to have gotten lost in the mix. That at any time you believed in God it last's for life, regardless of your current belief.
I think you confuse rejection with not believing. 😛
Chaney, you're a theist, you believe in God. My advice, for what it's worth, is to be satisfied with that for now. In the long run, if God truly does exist, that's probably all that really matters anyway; that you believed in him and strived to live a Godly life.
To be extra safe you should probably also give all your money to atheists.
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Originally posted by chaney3Blimey, please don't make me respond to Freaky.
I would be interested in your opinion of Freaky's post on top of page 16. I was waiting for twitehead's reply, or yours, but it seemed to have gotten lost in the mix. That at any time you believed in God it last's for life, regardless of your current belief.
03 May 16
Originally posted by Rajk999Well you make things up too, I suggest you stop doing that.
According to Christians it is those who profess faith with their mouth - sonship, KJ, Checkbaiter, Josephw, and YOU ! .. you guys are IN !
So Far I have said nothing about ME. .. except that I try to follow Christ.
I discuss doctrine .. nothing more.
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03 May 16
Rom 7:1-6
Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives? 2 For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man. 4 Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another — to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God. 5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death. 6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.
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Gal 5:18
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
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Originally posted by checkbaiterMore cherrypicking.
[b]Rom 7:1-6
Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives? 2 For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband lives, she marries an ...[text shortened]... V
Gal 5:18
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
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In Romans Chap 6 and 7, the entire thing is devoted to a discourse on keeping away from sin and obeying the Law of Christ. Christians are not under the Law of Moses but under the Law of Christ.
Galatians ... again read the whole thing:
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. (Galatians 5:14-21 KJV)
The Law of Christ is explained again - love thy neighbour as thyself
If instead the Christian chooses to live in the flesh and commit these sins - Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings ..
then Paul is clear on the fate of such Christians:
..they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
You can argue all you like .. your doctrine is nonsense.
Originally posted by FMFHow I view it is only applicable to me.
You blurting this out doesn't alter the fact that it smacks of being a figment of the human imagination, and the fact the mythology holds you in its thrall doesn't amount to evidence of anything in particular.
The fact that many other people who are also higher in intelligence and better equipped at critical analysis have historically considered the whole of the Bible as divinely inspired, however, speaks volumes in condemnation of your silly, juvenile perspective.