What does Jesus want from us?

Originally posted by Rajk999
The Bible supports the view that :

[b]Jesus KNOWS those that do good works and who live righteously, and Jesus will reward these with eternal life

Your view is that

Christians who claim to KNOW Jesus with their mouth, and has a relationship with Jesus [in their head], will get eternal life.

The Bible doctrine is about DOING THE WILL OF GOD.
...[text shortened]...
but the doers of the law shall be justified. [/b]

I hope you get that before it is too late.[/b]

I ask you to go back the 11 years I've been here and find me saying what you just claimed
was my views. You know my views on this as well you do scripture it appears. Keep my text
in context too, don't twist it like you are doing here in supporting that belief you claim is
scriptural.

Originally posted by KellyJay
I ask you to go back the 11 years I've been here and find me saying what you just claimed
was my views. You know my views on this as well you do scripture it appears. Keep my text
in context too, don't twist it like you are doing here in supporting that belief you claim is
scriptural.

I dont need to go back 11 years. Eleven minutes ago you yourself mentioned 'knowing Jesus'.

My point is that you are on the wrong track , because - :

Its not about who knows Jesus, but about who Jesus knows.

Its all about WHO JESUS KNOWS.

Originally posted by Rajk999
I dont need to go back 11 years. Eleven minutes ago you yourself mentioned 'knowing Jesus'.

My point is that you are on the wrong track , because - :

Its not about who knows Jesus, but about who Jesus knows.

Its all about WHO JESUS KNOWS.

Your confused. Believe with all your heart means much more than you think. Read Romans 10:9-10 carefully.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Your confused. Believe with all your heart means much more than you think. Read Romans 10:9-10 carefully.

I just read the verses you provided, and it seems pretty clear to me.

Once we do this, THEN we can do good works, but not because we HAVE to, but because we WANT to. And when we stumble along the way, we ask for forgiveness.....and move on.

Maybe?

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Your confused. Believe with all your heart means much more than you think. Read Romans 10:9-10 carefully.

.. ye are not of my sheep, ... My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: (John 10:26-27 KJV)

You dont hear the voice of Jesus so you cannot follow his voice.
You follow guys on the internet and get your doctrine from them.
I hear his voice and follow that only.

No long cut and paste..🙂

Originally posted by chaney3
I just read the verses you provided, and it seems pretty clear to me.

Once we do this, THEN we can do good works, but not because we HAVE to, but because we WANT to. And when we stumble along the way, we ask for forgiveness.....and move on.

Maybe?

Exactly. Plus, your salvation is guaranteed, you cannot get "unborn".

Eph 1:13-14
In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
NKJV

Originally posted by Rajk999
.. ye are not of my sheep, ... My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: (John 10:26-27 KJV)

You dont hear the voice of Jesus so you cannot follow his voice.
You follow guys on the internet and get your doctrine from them.
I hear his voice and follow that only.

No long cut and paste..🙂

Really? What is the "voice" telling you when you read Romans 10:9-10?
Or Ephesians above?

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Really? What is the "voice" telling you when you read Romans 10:9-10?
Or Ephesians above?

The voice of commonsense should tell you to read the whole blooming thing instead of cherrypicking.

Continue reading Ephesians and you will come across this:

For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. (Ephesians 5:5-6 KJV)

NOBODY who displeases God or disobedient to Christ will enter into the Kingdom of God. Christ said the same thing many times, So did Paul several times, Peter James and John. Jude and in Revelation .. the story is the same.

Originally posted by Rajk999
The voice of commonsense should tell you to read the whole blooming thing instead of cherrypicking.

Continue reading Ephesians and you will come across this:

[i]For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words ...[text shortened]... o did Paul several times, Peter James and John. Jude and in Revelation .. the story is the same.

The Greek word translated “inheritance” is klēronomia. It is speaking of rewards. Someone who willfully continues in sin will have no inheritance. It has nothing to do with losing salvation.
I explain these verses, but you fail to explain the clear verses about guarantees, "his seed remains in him", etc... Why is that?

Originally posted by Suzianne
This is mainly because we are all human, and we all fall short of the glory of God.

One's belief in the Bible and what it says depends on the human doing the believing. Those who live out of the mainstream are going to have theology out of the mainstream.

Literalists claim that the Word is all we need, and yet they miss key details that are not exactly explicit in the text. One needs faith.

Points taken. I still think in a perfect scenario that the Bible should be clearly understood by everyone, with the only question being is if you are willing to adhere to those words, and like you said, to have faith. But that's in a perfect world. Maybe it's exactly the way it's supposed to be, for reasons known only to God.

Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not to your own understanding.

Seems fitting. Not easily done of course, but fitting.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
The Greek word translated “inheritance” is klēronomia. It is speaking of rewards. Someone who willfully continues in sin will have no inheritance. It has nothing to do with losing salvation.
I explain these verses, but you fail to explain the clear verses about guarantees, "his seed remains in him", etc... Why is that?

Actually here is the Greek:

klēronomia - From ; heirship, that is, (concretely) a patrimony or (generally) a possession: - inheritance.

Nothing to do with rewards. Peter uses the the word inheritance:

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, (1 Peter 1:3-4 KJV)

The inheritance refers to eternal life in the Kingdom of God or Salvation.

Nothing to do with rewards.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Actually here is the Greek:

klēronomia - From ; heirship, that is, (concretely) a patrimony or (generally) a possession: - inheritance.

Nothing to do with rewards. Peter uses the the word inheritance:

[i]Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively ...[text shortened]... itance refers to eternal life in the Kingdom of God or Salvation.

Nothing to do with rewards.

The inheritance is "reserved in heaven". Read your verse. It is not salvation. It is an inheritance.

“in heaven.” It is important to realize that the inheritance is only said to be stored up in heaven because we have no way to access it now. It is in God’s keeping. This verse is not saying that when we die, we will be in heaven, but just that the treasure is in the hands of God now (see commentary on Matt. 5:12). Our inheritance will be realized when Christ comes back to earth and sets up his kingdom (see commentary on Matt. 5:5, the meek will inherit the earth). When Jesus sets up his kingdom on earth, people will be rewarded or punished according as they deserve (see commentary on 2 Cor. 5:10).

http://www.revisedenglishversion.com/commentary/1-Peter/1

The punishment is loss of rewards or inheritance.
You still have not addressed the clear verses of "guarantee" or "his seed remains in him"...
1 John 3:9
Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him;
NKJV

Eph 1:13-14
having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession,
NKJV

Originally posted by chaney3
Points taken. I still think in a perfect scenario that the Bible should be clearly understood by everyone, with the only question being is if you are willing to adhere to those words, and like you said, to have faith. But that's in a perfect world. Maybe it's exactly the way it's supposed to be, for reasons known only to God.

Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the ...[text shortened]... d lean not to your own understanding.

Seems fitting. Not easily done of course, but fitting.

Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not to your own understanding.
Proverbs 3:5

I think that's a truly awful proverb. Religion consumes the soul that isn't free thinking. Sure, seek guidance when you need it but don't get sucked into a faith that tells you what to believe. (Trust the Lord doesn't equate to trusting other human beings who claim to have a better understanding than you).

Originally posted by Rajk999
I dont need to go back 11 years. Eleven minutes ago you yourself mentioned 'knowing Jesus'.

My point is that you are on the wrong track , because - :

Its not about who knows Jesus, but about who Jesus knows.

Its all about WHO JESUS KNOWS.

thought so

Originally posted by checkbaiter
The inheritance is "reserved in heaven". Read your verse. It is not salvation. It is an inheritance.
[quote]“in heaven.” It is important to realize that the inheritance is only said to be stored up in heaven because we have no way to access it now. It is in God’s keeping. This verse is not saying that when we die, we will be in heaven, but just that th ...[text shortened]... who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession,
NKJV

Inheritance is eternal life in the Kingdom of God. Master what shall I do to inherit eternal life? That was a common question faced by Jesus. YOU INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE. YOU DO NOT INHERIT REWARDS.

Punishment can be BOTH loss of rewards and loss of eternal life.
Here Paul describes 3 groups of people:

1. Those how get both rewards and eternal life
2. Those who get no rewards but still get eternal life
3. Those who get neither rewards nor eternal life but are destroyed

Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. (1 Corinthians 3:13-17 KJV)

As for this : 1 John 3:9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; NKJV

If someone sins then they are not born of God. How hard is that to understand?