What Does One Need to Know...

Originally posted by @secondson
Are you aware of how dumb it is to try and win an argument about the existence of God by not using the Bible?

And are you aware of how dumb it is to accuse me of using the Bible to prove a point about the existence of God, especially since it was to you I referenced the Bible at all in this thread?

Nothing dumber than a so-called Christian that argues and debates as though he doesn't know which side of the argument he stands.

No Christian can “win arguments” about the existence of god either with or without a bible.

If you weren’t using the bible to prove god exists, then what were you doing?

I know exactly which side of this “argument” I stand and I’ve already explained it. You said I was over complicating it but failed to say how.

Originally posted by @divegeester
No Christian can “win arguments” about the existence of god either with or without a bible.

If you weren’t using the bible to prove god exists, then what were you doing?

I know exactly which side of this “argument” I stand and I’ve already explained it. You said I was over complicating it but failed to say how.

I struggle to tie my shoelaces but I know where my feet are.

Originally posted by @badradger
I struggle to tie my shoelaces but I know where my feet are.

the small things....

Originally posted by @fmf
Don't billions of theists argue for the existence of God by looking at things like intelligent design and irreducible complexity?

Yet atheists still claim to know there is no God. Based on what knowledge?

Originally posted by @divegeester
No Christian can “win arguments” about the existence of god either with or without a bible.

That's obtuse considering that no "Christian" ever came to a saving knowledge of God's grace without the Bible.

You sound like a defeatist Christian.

Why don't you try focusing on the question posed in the OP? I'll rephrase the question using your statement above as a pattern to make it easier for you to understand.

What argument can an atheist make proving the non-existence of a creator God "either with or without" knowledge?

Originally posted by @secondson
Yet atheists still claim to know there is no God. Based on what knowledge?

Well, maybe an atheist who believes there is no god or gods will come along at some point and answer your question. As I said earlier, Ghost of a Duke is the only such atheist among the regular posters that I can think of.

Originally posted by @fmf
Well, maybe an atheist who believes there is no god or gods will come along at some point and answer your question. As I said earlier, Ghost of a Duke is the only such atheist among the regular posters that I can think of.

Yep he's the only one with the balls to admit it.

Originally posted by @secondson
That's obtuse considering that no "Christian" ever came to a saving knowledge of God's grace without the Bible.

This statement is complete made up, pulled out of your bottom nonsense.
Try reading Acts of the Apostles and get back to me.

Originally posted by @secondson
You sound like a defeatist Christian.

There's the barb...

No I don't, what I sound like is a Christian who thinks you are full of it.

Originally posted by @secondson
What argument can an atheist make proving the non-existence of a creator God "either with or without" knowledge?

I've already answered this; there is no argument that can prove the non-existence of God any more than there is an argument that can prove the non-existence of tooth fairies. The onus is on Christians and ultimately God to "prove" his existence.

Just because Christians believe that God exists doesn't make me statement less true or me less of a Christian. In my profile there a scripture from Ecclesiastes which I think explains this dynamic; God has put eternity in the hearts of men and women but they cannot perceive it without faith. The problem come with the need of the mind to rationalise everything, to "prove" everything.

Incidentally it's the same in business these days I feel; everyone wants absolute proof and it stifles vision and creativity.

Originally posted by @divegeester
There's the barb...

No I don't, what I sound like is a Christian who thinks you are full of it.

Full of what?

Originally posted by @secondson
...to know there is no God?

No modifying the question. Please.

Do you know the answer and are going to mark the answers?
or
Do you not know the answer?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Full of what?

Same thing you are full of.

Originally posted by @divegeester
Same thing you are full of.

Which is?

Originally posted by @secondson
That's obtuse considering that no "Christian" ever came to a saving knowledge of God's grace without the Bible.

Aw. Those poor followers of Jesus prior to the 3rd Century. No bible.
And even when there was a bible most people could not read it.
And even now there are multiple versions of the bible.

So what does your statement really mean?