What is the point of eternal suffering?

@kellyjay said
Add yet beyond saying what I have said you dislike you don’t make a case for the truth as you see it in scripture. You make claims that what is said is metaphorical but don’t expound on what the truth of scripture really means instead. You are all complaint without a Biblical reason as to why.

@kellyjay said
The thing is you go on and on about so many things dive, I wonder how many posts you wrote about a deleted post by someone here, that was pure nauseating just watching that mind numbing exchange unfold. The topic was so unimportant!

@kellyjay said
Yet with respect to Hell, evil, Jesus Christ and His righteousness, what is God going to do with sinners, "so what". The issue if true is a grave one don't you think? If not true there should be some answers from you forthcoming, what God is going to do instead of what is written in scriptures. When questions, glib non-answers show how unimportant this really is to you, for me it is one of the most frightening thing we can discuss.

@kellyjay said
So evil people, what happens to them? They were created for life, God is the God of the living not the dead. We were given life by an eternal God, we were made in His image when creation started. Throughout scripture we see that the dead are just someplace else and what is called the final second death is a lake of fire. People we are told in scripture are going to be cast into this lake, but you say no why?

@divegeester said
Why do we have to discuss “evil people”? Let’s just consider a person who has led a good life but rejected Christianity and all religions. These people are the litmus test of this moral pit you are in, because according to you they will also be being burnt alive forever.

The sins of the entire world were legally paid for at Calvary, period.

Edit: “for while we were STILL SINNERS Christ died for us.”

@divegeester said
Why do we have to discuss “evil people”? Let’s just consider a person who has led a good life but rejected Christianity and all religions. These people are the litmus test of this moral pit you are in, because according to you they will also be being burnt alive forever.

The sins of the entire world were legally paid for at Calvary, period.

Edit: “for while we were STILL SINNERS Christ died for us.”

@kellyjay said
We can use the word good and apply it to people, it is a completely different thing when applied to God. So when we say so and so is a good person, that standard changes when speaking about God.

Jesus said only God is good when speaking about eternal life. If God is the standard can any of us say we are good?

@divegeester said
Hell terrifies you because you believe it is a literal place, hell isn't frightening to at all, not in the slightest, because I am 100% convinced that it doesn’t exist. I have absolute confidence in the literalness, the fullness and the victorious atonement and the breadth and depth of its incredible consequence for the whole of mankind.

As for sinners who die unrepen ...[text shortened]... on’t. I do know that there will be positive outcomes for those who love the Lord and follow his way.

@kellyjay said
Jesus is loving and good and just and so on! You only look at one attribute and from that think scripture doesn’t mean what it says.

@divegeester said
Hell terrifies you because you believe it is a literal place, hell isn't frightening to at all, not in the slightest, because I am 100% convinced that it doesn’t exist. I have absolute confidence in the literalness, the fullness and the victorious atonement and the breadth and depth of its incredible consequence for the whole of mankind.

As for sinners who die unrepen ...[text shortened]... on’t. I do know that there will be positive outcomes for those who love the Lord and follow his way.

@galveston75 said
Simply death for ever. This is the "second death" the bible speaks of this which means you will never be resurrected to live or exist ever again. The 1st resurrection is a real resurrection back to life again. The 2nd is not.
So when the bible says that one would be burned forever, it is not a literal cruel burning, To burn anything with real fire would completely destr ...[text shortened]... ught by Jesus but this pagan belief was introduced into the church about 400 years after Jesus died.

The issue of what happens to humans when they die is very simply answered in the bible.
But If one goes to other humans who in fact are not clear themselves on such things as death, then this is where the confusion deepens. I think all here are wanting to know the truth on this?
The bible does use parables, examples, metaphors, etc, for many things and in order for anyone to see and understand these one has to humble themselves and go through prayer to God to get the correct answers. He did this on purpose to see if humans are willing to listen to him or just go on their own confused opinions.
So God uses these to help explain his ways and teachings. Jesus did the very same thing when he taught to help those listening to grasp or relate to his message.

According to Ecclesiastes 9:10:
10 "Whatever your hand finds to do, do with all your might, for there is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave, where you are going."

So clearly when one dies they know nothing. They are not able to think. They process nothing mentally. Feel nothing physically like happiness, pain, sorrow etc.
This scripture along with others say the same thing. When you die, you are dead and will remain there until the resurrection starts. There is no burning place that bad or evil humans go to even after one is resurrected in the future for judgement.
If one is judged for life, then you live. If one is judged for death this is now where the second death comes into play. Your life will be taken from you. You will die and go back to dust of this earth and you will never exist again.

@galveston75 said
The issue of what happens to humans when they die is very simply answered in the bible.
But If one goes to other humans who in fact are not clear themselves on such things as death, then this is where the confusion deepens. I think all here are wanting to know the truth on this?
The bible does use parables, examples, metaphors, etc, for many things and in order for a ...[text shortened]... ll be taken from you. You will die and go back to dust of this earth and you will never exist again.

@divegeester said
You’re avoidance of my question and point in my post is noted.

@divegeester said
Is that a (very long) yes or a no?