@divegeester saidYou are the one who keeps missing the point there is no waffling here it is you not looking at things as they are. What is the point of salvation? Is it to make good people better, or save sinners before an angry God? If you have some other explanation I wouldn't be surprised since it isn't through scripture you seem to get your doctrine it is made up by you as you go.
You’re just waffling again.
Let’s stick to the point, You asked me what should God do with al the “evil people” right? What you are doing is throwing up all the “evil people” in the world as being some sort of side-door justification for eternal torture.
My reply to you is forget the evil people, what about all those people who are not “evil” but are simply non-Christians and will also be eternally tortured?
Do you think God is saving us from ourselves in Christ, what is the point, what is the reason for salvation? You think salvation is to highlight the good us from the bad us?
I don't believe simply non-Christians are the only ones thrown in Hell, I have repeated said this to you and others here. So starting out you keep missing the point, I'm not going to defend what I don't believe. There are many who will say Lord, Lord being cast into the flames because Jesus is going to say He never knew them.
God made us for a purpose in Him, we were made in His image, in a Kingdom of love and we went our own way. We spoiled ourselves with the corruption of selfishness, wanting to rule our own lives, to know good and evil, and be like God, all of this is because we wanted what we wanted, instead of simply walking with God. God is redeeming those that want redeemed in Christ the who so ever will who will walk with Him in faith, those that do not want redeemed are not going to be. They will not be worthy of God's eternal Kingdom which will be without sin in it. Those that are not apart of God's redemption will be cast out, because every one of us have a sinful nature within and we act it out daily. and God will not allow any of that into what He is doing going forward. Any sinful person would corrupt the whole thing, again.
There are no good people being thrown into Hell, they go into it with cause.
@kellyjay saidWhat point is it you are making KellyJay? Because I’m struggling to wade through the reams of church-speak text which accompany it.
You are the one who keeps missing the point there is no waffling here it is you not looking at things as they are. What is the point of salvation? Is it to make good people better, or save sinners before an angry God? If you have some other explanation I wouldn't be surprised since it isn't through scripture you seem to get your doctrine it is made up by you as you go.
Do ...[text shortened]... whole thing, again.
There are no good people being thrown into Hell, they go into it with cause.
Look back over the last few pages, Ive made a point of answering your questions, none of which actually led anywhere.
Succinctly then please; what POINT are you making and what do you want to ask me?
@divegeester saidI see you have taken up Rajk999's verbiage with not only "church-speak" you have also adopted his vulgar tone when speaking about Saints.
What point is it you are making KellyJay? Because I’m struggling to wade through the reams of church-speak text which accompany it.
Look back over the last few pages, Ive made a point of answering your questions, none of which actually led anywhere.
Succinctly then please; what POINT are you making and what do you want to ask me?
My point has been consistent but when you see it you belittle it and move on mocking, or you claim you don't understand, or who cares!
You can go page after page on a deleted text, but don't actually address points made to you about eternity when you complain about it all the time. All of us has sinned we have corrupted ourselves and we are completely unfit for the Kingdom of God, we will be cast out of it on judgment day, except those that are redeemed.
I'm not going to go back over the pages of text, but you have not been answering questions, neither have you addressed points made to you, mocking posts and the posters is not really addressing the points in them.
27 Jul 19
@kellyjay saidSuit yourself. But I’ll ask you this, what is worse lying, dishonestly or coarse tone/language?
I see you have taken up Rajk999's verbiage with not only "church-speak" you have also adopted his vulgar tone when speaking about Saints.
My point has been consistent but when you see it you belittle it and move on mocking, or you claim you don't understand, or who cares!
You can go page after page on a deleted text, but don't actually address points made to you about ...[text shortened]... essed points made to you, mocking posts and the posters is not really addressing the points in them.
I find you to be dishonest Sir. Let me explain, you have claimed a little while ago that everything in the book of Revelation is literal, all of it. I’ve given you a list on the previous page, but you ignore it.
Why is your claim dishonest? It is dishonest because you don’t truly believe that there are literal horsemen with literal bowls, that there are literal giant locusts with stings in their tails, that there a literal whore riding a literal multi-headed beast which is wearing literal crowns on it multiple heads.
I put it to you old chap that you in fact accept that these visionary things which John saw are representatives of other things, truths, principles perhaps. But you will sit there at your keyboard and tell me you think they are actual things as they literally described. And you do this so you can maintain that the scriptures about Hell are also literal.
I’d rather be me, coarse, rude, whatever. Than dishonest.
So there it is.
@divegeester saidWhat is worse? You think having either is good when God says calling someone a fool is enough to put you in danger? You are comparing one thing that is cause for hell with another that is cause for hell, and trying to find the lesser of two evils, WHO CARES!
Suit yourself. But I’ll ask you this, what is worse lying, dishonestly or coarse tone/language?
I find you to be dishonest Sir. Let me explain, you have claimed a little while ago that everything in the book of Revelation is literal, all of it. I’ve given you a list on the previous page, but you ignore it.
Why is your claim dishonest? It is dishonest because you d ...[text shortened]... are also literal.
I’d rather be me, coarse, rude, whatever. Than dishonest.
So there it is.
You want to go back to visions, as if that too is really important with respect to why we are damned, and why we are not. You have not addressed the central point of why we need to be saved! What was the point that makes it so important and now you want to talk about literal crowns, really?
The only thing you have done is avoid the whole point of sin and Hell to dance about things that have no stinking meaning toward this at all, as if to pin something on me that you feel is of vital importance, right up there with deleting a post.
I've not said one dishonest thing to you here, possibly things we disagree on, but since I have no idea where your 'truth' comes from even that is not worth discussing.
27 Jul 19
@kellyjay saidSo you are not going to counter my claim of your dishonesty then?
What is worse? You think having either is good when God says calling someone a fool is enough to put you in danger? You are comparing one thing that is cause for hell with another that is cause for hell, and trying to find the lesser of two evils, WHO CARES!
You want to go back to visions, as if that too is really important with respect to why we are damned, and why we ar ...[text shortened]... sagree on, but since I have no idea where your 'truth' comes from even that is not worth discussing.
@divegeester saidI think I'm going to stop wasting my time with you again. You never have a conversation you just accuse, without hardly ever answering those things put to you as if your questions are the only one of importance here.
So you are not going to counter my claim of your dishonesty then?
27 Jul 19
@kellyjay saidDon’t run away. I predicted you would do this.
I think I'm going to stop wasting my time with you again. You never have a conversation you just accuse, without hardly ever answering those things put to you as if your questions are the only one of importance here.
Face the challenge down, be truthful on this matter.
@fmf saidThis is the 16th time that you have thought it was relevant to bring up Romans.
The creepy troll you endorsed is gone. Reference to him is 100% about you. Any browbeating by you about things like decency, humour, respect, forum standards, integrity, and posting in good faith has zero credibility, no matter whether it's the 5th, 15th or 115th time you have tried it on.
@divegeester saidDive's signature move:
KellyJay don’t run away, I’m calling on you to be absolute truthful on this matter.
Ask the same question over, and over again, accuse you of "waffling" when you answer it, and then accuse you of running away when you no longer feel compelled to argue with someone whose only tactic is asking loaded questions over & over again.
No one wants to interact with people this ridiculous, bruh. Find some new tactics.
@philokalia saidMentioning your endorsement of him is about you.
This is the 16th time that you have thought it was relevant to bring up Romans.
27 Jul 19
@fmf saidThat is the seventeenth time you have mentioned him -- you know, when you mention me endorsing him, you are dwelling on his presence here, and using him as a tool to presumably attack me.
Mentioning your endorsement of him is about you.
For liking a guy that made me LOL sometimes on the internet, and that I know tied you up in knots, and still has you hot under the collar.
It also is apparent you do not like how I count your obsession with him.
If you'd like it to stop, there's one thing you can do...