What is the point of eternal suffering?

@kellyjay said
Do not play that stinking game! Someone who ignores or blows off as much as you do has no room to talk about anyone. If I didn’t address your point clarify it, I may have missed your question as you said you have done with mine in the past.

Grow up.

I asked why we have to discuss “evil people” in your words, as opposed to non Christians.

Go back and read the exchange, thank you.

@galveston75 said
Well you did mention that you were not sure what really happened to ones who die.
You are correct they do not burn. So I thought I would answer your question....
Perhaps a comment to either acknowledge you agree or disagree would be fine.
But sorry I took the time to do more then that ..... I hardly ever answer yes or no.

So is that a yes or a no?

@divegeester said
You believe that scripture is literal, I don’t.

You believe in literal:
- multi headed beasts
- whores riding beast dressed in robes dripping with literal blood
- hell having literal gates
- literal horsemen riding horses and pouring out literal doom from literal bowls
- literal lakes of burning fire with literal people being literally thrown in.

I don’t, I think it’s all metaphorical.
Please accept this.

I quite sure there are a lot of scripture you don't believe.

@divegeester said
Grow up.

I asked why we have to discuss “evil people” in your words, as opposed to non Christians.

Go back and read the exchange, thank you.

I don't sort out people by who calls themselves Christian or not, instead it is those that belong to Christ or not. You can call yourself a Christian and not belong to Christ. So when I look at 'evil people', I put all people in that group without exception. Our hope is in Christ not our righteousness, none of us are 'good people' which is why we need saved, and those that are not saved, are not saved, and will stand before God in their sins as we would had it not been for Christ.

@divegeester said
In order for you and I to discuss this can you unequivocally clarify whether or not you believe the book of Revelation and the imagery within it to be literal or not?

Sorry I missed this question. That is why I haven't answered. So to your simple yes or no question, the answer is both. Not all of it is imaginary as you say. Sorry I can't respond as you'd like but I'm being truthful to you.

Rev 22:18,19 says: “I am bearing witness to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll; 19 and if anyone takes anything away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God will take his portion away from the trees of life and out of the holy city, things that are written about in this scroll."

The reason I'm quoting this scripture is it shows we can't figure this out on our own. It will never happen. It is only by God's help thru intense prayer that anyone will ever figure it out. The bible was given to us to learn all that he wants us to learn. It is not a joke that he's playing on us. Revelation was purposely arranged to be at the end of the bible and it is the hardest to understand. Our life's are at stake and this is serious so we really need to have Jehovah's help. That is if one is really wanting to know.

@galveston75 said
Sorry I missed this question. That is why I haven't answered. So to your simple yes or no question, the answer is both. Not all of it is imaginary as you say. Sorry I can't respond as you'd like but I'm being truthful to you.

Rev 22:18,19 says: “I am bearing witness to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these th ...[text shortened]... this is serious so we really need to have Jehovah's help. That is if one is really wanting to know.

A JW promoting the words of Rev. 22 strikes me as cosmic irony.

@kellyjay said
I don't sort out people by who calls themselves Christian or not, instead it is those that belong to Christ or not.

Do you call yourself a Christian?

Do you claim you "belong to Christ"?

@suzianne said
A JW promoting the words of Rev. 22 strikes me as cosmic irony.

OK, let's hear it.

@galveston75 said
OK, let's hear it.

Maybe I should have just said 'hypocritical'. Is that more clear for you?

@galveston75 said
OK, let's hear it.

A JW talking about "Prophesy" etc.

It's been talked about a lot here.

@kellyjay said
I quite sure there are a lot of scripture you don't believe.

What has your reply got to do with my list of things you believe are literal?

Are there some things on that list that you don’t think are literal?

Edit: here is the list to again to help you:

- multi headed beasts
- whores riding beast dressed in robes dripping with literal blood
- hell having literal gates
- literal horsemen riding horses and pouring out literal doom from literal bowls
- literal lakes of burning fire with literal people being literally thrown in.

@kellyjay said
I don't sort out people by who calls themselves Christian or not, instead it is those that belong to Christ or not. You can call yourself a Christian and not belong to Christ. So when I look at 'evil people', I put all people in that group without exception. Our hope is in Christ not our righteousness, none of us are 'good people' which is why we need saved, and those that a ...[text shortened]... aved, are not saved, and will stand before God in their sins as we would had it not been for Christ.

You’re just waffling again.

Let’s stick to the point, You asked me what should God do with al the “evil people” right? What you are doing is throwing up all the “evil people” in the world as being some sort of side-door justification for eternal torture.

My reply to you is forget the evil people, what about all those people who are not “evil” but are simply non-Christians and will also be eternally tortured?

@galveston75 said
Sorry I missed this question. That is why I haven't answered. So to your simple yes or no question, the answer is both. Not all of it is imaginary as you say. Sorry I can't respond as you'd like but I'm being truthful to you.

The dishonesty in this forum is choking. Previous page 7th post up!

Here you go:

In order for you and I to discuss this can you unequivocally clarify whether or not you believe the book of Revelation and the imagery within it to be literal or not?

This question requires a yes of no answer, not a bunch of JW film-flam and obfuscation.

@galveston75 said
The reason I'm quoting this scripture is it shows we can't figure this out on our own. It will never happen. It is only by God's help thru intense prayer that anyone will ever figure it out.

Another straightforward question for you Galveston75:

Is it possible for a person to “figure this out thru intense prayer” without being a member of the Jehovah’s Witness organisation?



(Any bets his reply will start with a “Lol”?)

@divegeester said
You’re just waffling again.

Let’s stick to the point, You asked me what should God do with al the “evil people” right? What you are doing is throwing up all the “evil people” in the world as being some sort of side-door justification for eternal torture.

My reply to you is forget the evil people, what about all those people who are not “evil” but are simply non-Christians and will also be eternally tortured?

You might want to refer to the thread on St. Dionysius and the question of evil:

https://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/spirituality/st-dionysius-and-evil.181203

It deals very well with this topic and, luckily, it is still open for replies.