@philokalia saidI am relying on people who draw their authority from a long history of interpretation of the Bible, and who do it as a vocation, and I think that is good.
But what are we doing right now?
Debating the meaning of the Bible.
I am relying on people who draw their authority from a long history of interpretation of the Bible, and who do it as a vocation, and I think that is good.
What is wrong or dirty about that?
Instead of relying on what Jesus explicitly stated. It's just as I pointed out.
15 Aug 19
@kellyjay saidI am not the one who asserts that when your opinions about the reality of the universe coincide with your opinions about what the correct religious beliefs are, that creates a "universal truth" for us all. That's you. That's you as a purported "authority" on the universe.
Your only authority is you it seems.
15 Aug 19
@fmf saidLet's review. In P's first post, the FCR quote is given as a possible explanation to why Jesus told the rich man what he did. Then P gives other examples that he views as parallel. He is not merely saying that "FCR says this, so it must be true" (which is indeed fallacious) but using FCR's take as a jumping off point for further examination.
If you think citing "Fr. Chad Ripperger" gives any additional credence to whatever Philokalia happens to believe and spends his time trotting out here, good for you. You obviously won't agree with my perception of Appeal to Authority.
I find - for example - Rajk999's references to the Bible and to the text itself - and grappling using his own intellectual and discursive steam ...[text shortened]... r else, and does so instead of engaging in debate, I will surely call him out ~ for what it's worth.
I'm not evaluating the merit of P's argument here - just pointing out that he has not used a fallacy, as such. It is misleading to say so, IMO.
15 Aug 19
FMF realizes that what he lacks the most is a wide breadth of knowledge and experience in the field of theology. So now he attacks people who accurately cite experts in the field.
He shifted to the only possible attack on people who like to cite such resources. The idea that everyone here should be arguing just by quotations with their opinions inserted.
I think it's much better to refer to the verses and also talk about what the experts think.
Should be obvious to anybody that the positions of major theologians and branches of Christianity would be very important to understanding the Bible.
15 Aug 19
@bigdoggproblem saidExactly. And what does it matter what "Fr. Chad Ripperger" says, either?
I don't know. Who is/was she?
15 Aug 19
@bigdoggproblem saidI disagree. He could discuss it with Rajk999 one on one but instead he hides behind a name.
I'm not evaluating the merit of P's argument here - just pointing out that he has not used a fallacy, as such. It is misleading to say so, IMO.
15 Aug 19
@philokalia saidIt's your prerogative to claim that you somehow represent here on this message board "a wide breadth of knowledge and experience in the field of theology", of course. But if you have a better argument than Rajk999 why don't you just make it rather than citing "experts" that you happen to agree with?
FMF realizes that what he lacks the most is a wide breadth of knowledge and experience in the field of theology.
@philokalia saidWhy are you so insecure about pitting your own theological ideas and understanding of the Bible against Rajk999's?
Should be obvious to anybody that the positions of major theologians and branches of Christianity would be very important to understanding the Bible.
@philokalia saidWhy would your personal opinion that "Fr. Chad Ripperger" is an "expert" be relevant to anyone who disagrees with you?
I think it's much better to refer to the verses and also talk about what the experts think.
15 Aug 19
@philokalia saidLike how you "accurately cited" some "expert" you know from your religion who told you it was OK for you to "fornicate".
So now he attacks people who accurately cite experts in the field.
[Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's immoral for you to sleep with your partner, and I believe this regardless of whether your partner is a he or she.]
Or how you told me time and time again that my contention that the torturer god ideology is morally incoherent and you had little more to offer than how "the Saints" and "experts" disagree with me and you agree with them, ah yes.
It is weak. And spammy.
15 Aug 19
@bigdoggproblem saidBy the way, Ellen G. White was an "expert" on the age of the Earth and was a prominent and respected figure in her church.
Well, if you want to go there, then what does it matter what any of us say, really.