What the Bible realy teaches

Originally posted by sonship
There was some true things in your own summary.
But if you wish for me to follow with a summary:

God became man so that man might become God in life and nature, but not in the Godhead, for His expression and man's enjoyment.

Man became God? Can man create in the new body?

Originally posted by sonship

my point is that to translate Matthew 23:43 in such a way as to give the impression that its anything other than an earthly paradise is inconsistent with what Christ understood paradise to have meant.

Well, you must have a mistaken reference. I see only 39 verses in chapter 23.

Jesus did not take anyone to a paradise earthen Ede ...[text shortened]... day".

Jesus went to the heart of the earth for that day and for the three days.[/b]

TODAY, they're coming to America..........TODAY.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Man became God? Can man create in the new body?

checkbaiter what is your summation of the Biblical message from Genesis to revelation?

Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
TODAY, they're coming to America..........TODAY.

Johnny Long Legs what is your summation of the Biblical message from Genesis to revelation.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
checkbaiter what is your summation of the Biblical message from Genesis to revelation?

God created angels, then man. Man was given authority over the Earth, man was deceived by Serpent who then inherited this authority. Since then, every person born inherited a sinful nature and legally belonged to the Serpent. He is referred to as the god of this world and holds all the world in his grasp. He is the cause of all heartache, sin, disaster, etc.
God promised a seed to be born,(Gen 3:15) Jesus came on the scene, he was 100% man and was made like Adam, the first man. He did not inherit the sinful nature and became the ransom or payment to legally buy back man to God. He did this by faithful obedience to God. He was crucified, Satan thought he had won, but did not know that God would raise this Jesus from the dead. Jesus was highly exalted by God, given all authority in heaven and earth and made to be head of the church. If Satan had known he would not have had him crucified.
When a person confesses Jesus as Lord, believes God raised him from the dead (Romans 10:9,10) he becomes a son/daughter of God, he is legally transferred from the god of this world and now legally belongs to God, with Jesus as Lord of his life. The believer receives holy spirit, God's gift. This holy spirit is not to be confused with Holy Spirit which is another name for God, who is Spirit and is Holy.
The believer now has this new gift which has nine manifestations, ala, speaking in tongues, etc.
He also has Christ in him and has power over the enemy(satan). He has been given the ministry of reconciliation and is to speak forth the good news of Jesus Christ.
I know, very brief and choppy, but generally what I believe with a lot more detail in between.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
God created angels, then man. Man was given authority over the Earth, man was deceived by Serpent who then inherited this authority. Since then, every person born inherited a sinful nature and legally belonged to the Serpent. He is referred to as the god of this world and holds all the world in his grasp. He is the cause of all heartache, sin, disaster, ...[text shortened]...
I know, very brief and choppy, but generally what I believe with a lot more detail in between.

A good try Checkbaiter, well done, its not so easy.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
A good try Checkbaiter, well done, its not so easy.

What I believe (from my favorite church)
The Bible, both the Old and New Testaments, is the inspired and authoritative Word and will of God
(2 Timothy 3:16, 17)

There is only one true God and this is the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ.
(Deuteronomy 6:4; John 17:3; 1 Corinthians 8:6)

Jesus of Nazareth is the Son of God, fully human though divinely conceived. God has made him both Lord and Christ and he is the only Mediator between God and man.
(Luke 1:31-35; Acts 2:36; 1 Timothy 2:4, 5)

The holy Spirit is the operational empowering presence of God given to believers through Jesus Christ. The gift of the Spirit regenerates the believer giving new life spiritually. It also incorporates one into the church, the body of Christ, and provides new abilities and guarantees the hope of everlasting life in the kingdom of God.
(Acts 1:8; 2:38, 39; 1 Corinthians 12:7-13; Galatians 5:22, 23; Ephesians 1:13, 14; Titus 3:4-7)

Salvation is a gift of God granted to those who place their faith in Jesus as Lord and Christ, believing that Jesus' death on the cross atoned for their sins and that God has raised him from the dead.
(Romans 1:16, 17; 10:9, 10; Ephesians (2:8-10)

Those who are saved by faith in Jesus Christ are justified, made righteous, sanctified, given the ministry of reconciliation, made a new creation in Christ, and have the hope of everlasting life and glory when Christ returns.
(Romans 3:21-26; 1 Corinthians 1:30, 31; 2 Corinthians 5:17-21; Philippians 3:20, 21; Colossians 3:1-4)

We believe in the future visible and glorious return of the Lord Jesus Christ to raise to life the faithful dead, establish the kingdom of God over the earth, and bring about the restoration of this world as promised in the Scriptures.
(1 Corinthians 15:20-28, 50-58; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; Revelation 20:1-6; Acts 1:6; 3:19-21; 2 Peter 3:13)

Who I am in Christ

I am accepted in Christ

I am God's child: John 1:12; 1 John 3:1, 2; Romans 8:14-16
I am Christ's friend: John 15:15
I have been justified and made righteous before God: Romans 3:21-26; 5:1; 2 Corinthians 5:21
I am united with the Lord and one with him in the Spirit: 1 Corinthians 6:17; Colossians 1:27
I am a member of Christ's body: 1 Corinthians 12:27
I have been adopted and made an heir of God: Ephesians 1:5; Romans 8:15-17
I have direct access to God through Christ by the Spirit: Ephesians 2:18
I have been delivered from Satan's power, brought into the kingdom of God, and forgiven of all my sins: Colossians 1:12-14
I am complete in Christ: Colossians 2:10

Originally posted by checkbaiter
God created angels, then man. Man was given authority over the Earth, man was deceived by Serpent who then inherited this authority. Since then, every person born inherited a sinful nature and legally belonged to the Serpent. He is referred to as the god of this world and holds all the world in his grasp. He is the cause of all heartache, sin, disaster, ...[text shortened]...
I know, very brief and choppy, but generally what I believe with a lot more detail in between.

If one can not speak but in one tongue, would that mean he is not a believer?

Originally posted by RJHinds
If one can not speak but in one tongue, would that mean he is not a believer?

No, he just does not know who he is in Christ, he is unlearned.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Man became God? Can man create in the new body?

Man became God? Can man create in the new body?

In these aspects the attributes of God are non-communicable.

Man will be a creator of universes.
Man will not become omnipresent.
Man will not become omniscient.
Man will not become omnipotent.
Man will not become object of worship.

These are non-commincable attributes of God.
But the communicable attributes of God God is dispensing into His people.

So as to your question - the saints of God create no new bodies.
They do cooperate with God's full salvation that He may swollow up their mortality in divine life.

" ... that what is mortal may be swallowed up in life." (2 Cor. 5:4)

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Johnny Long Legs what is your summation of the Biblical message from Genesis to revelation.

It appears that preferential treatment is meted out
to a certain branch of humanity. That branch being
the Hebrews. But unfortunately the Hebrews rejected
God's teaching and then to add insult to injury they
rejected his Messiah because as far as they were
concerned the Messiah that showed up was not
their idea of what the Messiah should have been.

So God and Jesus turned to the non Hebrews ( gentiles ).

Apparently his plan still involves the Hebrews but now
he has extended his plan to those who are not Hebrews.
( New Testament )

A new covenant was apparently put in place whereby
all could avail of salvation if they followed the rules
laid down by this new covenant.

It seems your God has made a lot of blunders along the way.
You say his plan has not changed, but there is a huge difference
between what was envisaged in the Old Testament as compared
to what is now asked for in the New Testament.

To confuse matters even further,
yours, as well as other branches of Christianity have
different ideas about how the end game will pan out.

I am particularly interested in your assertion that 144,000
will go to heaven to rule with God while they rest of us are expected
to stay here and be subjects. Your reasoning for this 144,000
makes little sense to the rest of us who are not of your brand
of Christianity.

Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
It appears that preferential treatment is meted out
to a certain branch of humanity. That branch being
the Hebrews. But unfortunately the Hebrews rejected
God's teaching and then to add insult to injury they
rejected his Messiah because as far as they were
concerned the Messiah that showed up was not
their idea of what the Messiah should ...[text shortened]... this 144,000
makes little sense to the rest of us who are not of your brand
of Christianity.

OK, what is your understanding of a kingdom Johnny, any kingdom?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
OK, what is your understanding of a kingdom Johnny, any kingdom?

A kingdom is a land which is ruled over by a Monarch.
The Monarch may be a King or a Queen and succession
is passed on to the eldest son or daughter, ( the heir ).

The ruler is the absolute ruler.

In times gone by this would mean the ruler
having the power to raise taxes and hand out
extreme measures as punishment for lawbreaking, ( such as death ).

In modern times the ruler is generally just a figurehead and has
very few real powers and is separate from regular Government.
They do not involve themselves in political affairs and the only
influence they have is for progressive diplomatic purposes.

Their kingdom represents the territory over which they are able
to claim dominion.

Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
A kingdom is a land which is ruled over by a Monarch.
The Monarch may be a King or a Queen and succession
is passed on to the eldest son or daughter, ( the heir ).

The ruler is the absolute ruler.

In times gone by this would mean the ruler
having the power to raise taxes and hand out
extreme measures as punishment for lawbreaking, ( such ...[text shortened]... purposes.

Their kingdom represents the territory over which they are able
to claim dominion.

excellent, so what constitutes a government? generally an electorate and a governing body, is it not the case. In a Kingdom, you have a monarch and depending upon its constitution, persons who serve the Kings interests, nobles in the case of feudalism and a populace that is ruled over, peasants and merchants etc etc. Not all belong to the government or the nobility and not all serve as vassals, ambassadors of the King, is it not so. A kingdom or a government must have dominion over a subject populace.

Now if all good person go to heaven as we are told, over whom will Gods Kingdom hold dominion?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
excellent, so what constitutes a government? generally an electorate and a governing body, is it not the case. In a Kingdom, you have a monarch and depending upon its constitution, persons who serve the Kings interests, nobles in the case of feudalism and a populace that is ruled over, peasants and merchants etc etc. Not all belong to the governme ...[text shortened]...
Now if all good person go to heaven as we are told, over whom will Gods Kingdom hold dominion?

You want facts I gave you facts.
I am not a very religious person.
I don't have a lot of faith, if any at all.
I was raised a Roman Catholic in dreary
old Dublin Town in the 1960's when the
church was a lot more powerful than it
is now.

But I can see where you are leading.
You think that if all good people go to
heaven then there will be no one on
earth to rule over. In your opinion
the earth is God's Kingdom.

I think that this is arrogant and short sighted.
Firstly, concerning your 144,000 humans who go
to heaven to rule with God.

Why would God need any frail imperfect humans
to help him rule if he has been already doing so
without them for who knows how long?

Secondly, If God exists and he created the whole
universe, why would he confine his Kingdom to the earth?

Do you not see flaws in that situation?