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Originally posted by josephwOh, this is to much to comment.
"So you think that religious facts are truer than scientific facts?"
No. Facts are facts.
"We can scientifically prove that evoution is true with various methods.
To prove that creation is true there is nothing else but to read an ancient book."
This is debatable.
"Therefore I differ religious beliefs (you can believe whateve soul will ever doubt we evolved from apes and God is just a myth.
You have no religion? Then you have to redefine religion quite a lot.
Actually, you have to practice self-honesty...
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Originally posted by Proper Knobyes but we tend not to venerate inanimate objects and bestow upon them divine status, like, here we have a nail of the cross on which Christ was crucified, or here we have one of St Andrews hairs etc etc
Like your denomination doesn't have any wacky beliefs!!
28 Jun 10
Originally posted by josephwNo, I believe there is a God based on the fact of creation.
[b]"You believe in God, as that is based on faith,.."
No, I believe there is a God based on the fact of creation.
I think it was you that said in an earlier post that evolution does not address the issue of the origin of life, but only the process by which life advances or moves forward though time. (Maybe it wasn't you and maybe it wasn't said jus ...[text shortened]... is evolving.
Cite a source you believe is infallible so I can see it for myself. Please.[/b]
But that belief is still based on faith.
Correct, it was me who stated that the theory of evolution makes no claim with regard to the origins of life.
If you really wish to learn something, i suggest the book Why evolution is true by Jerry A. Coyne. He is a professor in the Department of Ecology and Evolution at the University of Chicago specialising in evolutionary genetics.
28 Jun 10
Originally posted by FabianFnasNo. I do not have nor do I practice any religion.
Oh, this is to much to comment.
You have no religion? Then you have to redefine religion quite a lot.
Actually, you have to practice self-honesty...
Let me explain.
Look at Cain and Abel.
The one did that which God required, and the other did his own thing.
Responding to what God says one must do is not religion, it is faith.
Doing that which one thinks is good enough in his own eyes is religion.
Do you see the difference? I can't simplify it any more than that.
28 Jun 10
Originally posted by Proper KnobI will look into it. But not just now. It may be a while, but I will get back to you one way or another in time.
[b]No, I believe there is a God based on the fact of creation.
But that belief is still based on faith.
Correct, it was me who stated that the theory of evolution makes no claim with regard to the origins of life.
If you really wish to learn something, i suggest the book Why evolution is true by Jerry A. Coyne. He is a professor in t ...[text shortened]... ent of Ecology and Evolution at the University of Chicago specialising in evolutionary genetics.[/b]
28 Jun 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieNo, you refuse blood transfusions and go knocking on peoples doors handing out leaflets.
yes but we tend not to venerate inanimate objects and bestow upon them divine status, like, here we have a nail of the cross on which Christ was crucified, or here we have one of St Andrews hairs etc etc
It's all irrelevant to this thread anyhow.
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Originally posted by josephwMan, you really excell in double thinking.
No. I do not have nor do I practice any religion.
Let me explain.
Look at Cain and Abel.
The one did that which God required, and the other did his own thing.
Responding to what God says one must do is not religion, it is faith.
Doing that which one thinks is good enough in his own eyes is religion.
Do you see the difference? I can't simplify it any more than that.
Are you a lawyer or a priest as a profession?
28 Jun 10
Originally posted by Proper Knobwe claim the right of self determination and will encourage everyone to look into the wisdom of scripture, what is 'whacky', about that? but you are correct, it has nothing to do with this thread.
No, you refuse blood transfusions and go knocking on peoples doors handing out leaflets.
It's all irrelevant to this thread anyhow.
28 Jun 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobie"we claim the right of self determination..."
we claim the right of self determination and will encourage everyone to look into the wisdom of scripture, what is 'whacky', about that? but you are correct, it has nothing to do with this thread.
That works with the bill of rights, but is antithetical to Biblical revelation of who we are and what we become as a result of our faith in Christ.
As Christians we don't determine who or what we do or are. That is determined by God based on who we are "in Christ".
Not trying to start a fight. Just throwing my two cents in is all.
28 Jun 10
Originally posted by josephwantithetical to Biblical revelation
[b]"we claim the right of self determination..."
That works with the bill of rights, but is antithetical to Biblical revelation of who we are and what we become as a result of our faith in Christ.
As Christians we don't determine who or what we do or are. That is determined by God based on who we are "in Christ".
Not trying to start a fight. Just throwing my two cents in is all.[/b]
quite the opposite actually
28 Jun 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhat's wacky, is how you interpret
we claim the right of self determination and will encourage everyone to look into the wisdom of scripture, what is 'whacky', about that? but you are correct, it has nothing to do with this thread.
"Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood."
into refusing blood transfusions.
28 Jun 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThat depends on the context.
antithetical to Biblical revelation
quite the opposite actually
On the one hand I believe it is entirely Biblical that we have the right to self determination within the context of human government and the passage of laws,
but on the other hand who we are and how we live is determined by God based on our identity "in Christ".
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Originally posted by Proper Knobyou are basing your evaluation on a single criteria, you need to look at how God views blood, its use, its significance, its symbolic use and its significance, also the textual prohibitions and the meaning of Christs blood for a Christian, its atoning value etc then make a conscience based decision. i am not one to lecture you dear Noobster, but you are making an evaluation based on an interpretation of incomplete data.
What's wacky, is how you interpret
"Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood."
into refusing blood transfusions.