29 Jun 10
Originally posted by twhiteheadto twhitehead
Why must you know that? How is it relevant?
As for the answer:
1. There is no such thing as a Darwinian, or Darwinian position. Charles Darwin was the first person to propose the Theory of Evolution, but the theory is not a religion. What you probably mean is 'what is the position of most scientists in the field of evolutionary biology', or possibly 'wh ...[text shortened]... would lie about something simply because you think it disagrees with your spiritual beliefs?
Theres no lie, your reading between the lines, and if your defending the evolution process, then it is absolutly required, that you know if the process is actuated by the spiritual catylist or not.
If your answer is no, then its all nonsense, thats why you should know the answer!...so whats the answer, not your answer, but the evolutionists answer???
vishva
29 Jun 10
Originally posted by vishvahetuThe evolutionists answer? What are you talking about? Evolutionist isn't a branch of religion (although the misinformed wish to believe that).
to twhitehead
Theres no lie, your reading between the lines, and if your defending the evolution process, then it is absolutly required, that you know if the process is actuated by the spiritual catylist or not.
If your answer is no, then its all nonsense, thats why you should know the answer!...so whats the answer, not your answer, but the evolutionists answer???
vishva
Most of the major denominations of Christianity accept the science behind evolution, they believe there to be a 'spriitual catalyst' behind the origin of life. At the same time atheists beleieve there isn't, or will remain open minded.
But it's a red-herring, regardless of how life started, spiritual catalyst or not, life evolved on this planet from a common ancester. You either accept it or not.
29 Jun 10
Originally posted by Proper Knobto Properknob
The evolutionists answer? What are you talking about? Evolutionist isn't a branch of religion (although the misinformed wish to believe that).
Most of the major denominations of Christianity accept the science behind evolution, they believe there to be a 'spriitual catalyst' behind the origin of life. At the same time atheists beleieve there isn't, or ...[text shortened]... st or not, life evolved on this planet from a common ancester. You either accept it or not.
If you had a meeting of people who accept the evolution process at the showgrounds, and 30.000 people turned up, then they would be the evolutionists, right. (thats what i mean)
Anyway keep well
vishva
29 Jun 10
Originally posted by vishvahetuNo I am not reading between the lines. I am reading your claims, quite clearly put forward on this forum, which you later admit you knew to be false claims. That, in my book, is lying.
Theres no lie, your reading between the lines,
and if your defending the evolution process, then it is absolutly required, that you know if the process is actuated by the spiritual catylist or not.
No it is not required. It is irrelevant. Whether or not dogs may some day evolved into two different species, has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not there was a spiritual catalyst in abiogenesis. Yet you readily claim that dogs will never evolve into a new species.
Whether or not man evolved from a common ancestor with other apes, has nothing to do with whether or not a spiritual catalyst was involved in abiogenesis.
If your answer is no, then its all nonsense,
That is bad reasoning. Just because one part of an argument or theory is false it does not make the whole argument false. I have already pointed out that you have lied in this thread, yet does that make everything you say nonsense?
thats why you should know the answer!...so whats the answer, not your answer, but the evolutionists answer???
As I already said, there is no such thing as an 'evolutionists answer'. The Theory of Evolution is known and accepted by many people and those people have a whole variety of beliefs regarding abiogenesis and whether or not a spiritual catalyst was involved.
29 Jun 10
Originally posted by twhiteheadto twhitehead
No I am not reading between the lines. I am reading your claims, quite clearly put forward on this forum, which you later admit you knew to be false claims. That, in my book, is lying.
[b]and if your defending the evolution process, then it is absolutly required, that you know if the process is actuated by the spiritual catylist or not.
No it is n ...[text shortened]... variety of beliefs regarding abiogenesis and whether or not a spiritual catalyst was involved.[/b]
Your talking in circles, you dont even know what your saying and your confused with yourself.
If i do a big mathematical equation, and in the beginning i say 5 plus 5 equals 9. then the whole thing is wrong, so you saying the beginning can be wrong and the end right, is nonsense..
Your the type of person that would argue that water isnt wet! aaaah
And the only reason why you guys believe in evolution, is that you where taught it at scool when little, and you cant get it out of your head.
vishva
29 Jun 10
Originally posted by vishvahetuYou are wrong.
Your talking in circles, you dont even know what your saying and your confused with yourself.
If i do a big mathematical equation, and in the beginning i say 5 plus 5 equals 9. then the whole thing is wrong, so you saying the beginning can be wrong and the end right, is nonsense..
Your the type of person that would argue that water isnt wet! aaaah
The Theory of Evolution is not a mathematical equation that relies on some initial assumption.
And the only reason why you guys believe in evolution, is that you where taught it at scool when little, and you cant get it out of your head.
Actually, I don't believe everything I learnt in school. I believe the Theory of Evolution is accurate based on the evidence, not because I learnt it in school. Most of what I know about evolution I did not learn in school.
29 Jun 10
Originally posted by vishvahetuPeople who accept evolution can range from atheists to Christians to people like you who have their own perception of God.
to Properknob
If you had a meeting of people who accept the evolution process at the showgrounds, and 30.000 people turned up, then they would be the evolutionists, right. (thats what i mean)
Anyway keep well
vishva
This isn't a one size fits all.
Do you understand what i'm telling you?
29 Jun 10
Originally posted by Proper Knobto PrpoperKnob
People who accept evolution can range from atheists to Christians to people like you who have their own perception of God.
This isn't a one size fits all.
Do you understand what i'm telling you?
Yes i see what your saying, and my stand is that if there is evolution, then it could only happen if there is a spiritual catylist to operate the workings of it, so i would have to side with the christians ( but without their silly bible and jesus)
And my other stand is, that if someone is saying there is evolution and no spiritual catylist, then i am not in agreement.
If a person had a room full of computers and televisions and air-conditioners, then they could sit there for a million years and do nothing, but if you add the catylist electricity, then every thing will function, and that is an example how evolution without the god power would not work.
vishva
29 Jun 10
Originally posted by vishvahetumy stand is that if there is evolution, then it could only happen if there is a spiritual catylist to operate the workings of it
to PrpoperKnob
Yes i see what your saying, and my stand is that if there is evolution, then it could only happen if there is a spiritual catylist to operate the workings of it, so i would have to side with the christians ( but without their silly bible and jesus)
And my other stand is, that if someone is saying there is evolution and no spiritual ca ...[text shortened]... l function, and that is an example how evolution without the god power would not work.
vishva
I don't understand, are you talking about how life formed or genetic mutations?
29 Jun 10
Originally posted by Proper Knobto ProperKnob
[b]my stand is that if there is evolution, then it could only happen if there is a spiritual catylist to operate the workings of it
I don't understand, are you talking about how life formed or genetic mutations?[/b]
Where both talking about how life formed, because if there is talk about mutations, then that would be part of (life forming).
Anyhow my stand is that there may be some sighns of some life forms mutating over a long period, for instance, if the food supply of a particular species is plentifull, then we may find evidencve that the species has grown bigger with thicker skin or something and their skulls getting a bit larger.
Now as far as 8 to 10 million species all coming from a little squiggly thing in a muddy pool of water, then i am not in agreement.
That would mean that one of those sqigglies is a horse in the making, another sguiggly is a cow in the making, another sqiggly is a elephant in the making, another squiggly is a human being in the making, and so on for the other 9 million.
Now a common thread of evolution therory is that it all happened randomly, which means by accident, so i cannot accept that accidently there was the 10 million perfectly crafted potental life forms just waiting for that thunder bolt.
So i would say that, an incoceivable spiritual power (that some call god) has placed life on earth, and it will remain a mystery to every single person, how it was actually done
But thats ok, because it would be like asking where did god come from, but the evolutionists are asking themselves, where did the squiggly come from and the muddy pool it lives in, and that will remain a mystery to them as well.
But the thing is about creation verus evolution, there is only one that is logical and reasonable, and that would be creation.
vishva
29 Jun 10
Originally posted by vishvahetuVish, I'm sure you're a lovely feller and well-intentioned, but your belief system appears to be something you've simply made up yourself. Are you attempting to start a new religion here?
to PrpoperKnob
Yes i see what your saying, and my stand is that if there is evolution, then it could only happen if there is a spiritual catylist to operate the workings of it, so i would have to side with the christians ( but without their silly bible and jesus)
And my other stand is, that if someone is saying there is evolution and no spiritual ca ...[text shortened]... l function, and that is an example how evolution without the god power would not work.
vishva