06 May 21
@sonship saidHow can you be saving me effort, when it’s me who asked YOU the question. You can’t ask yourself a question.
Just saving you a little effort in repeating for you your atom bomb checkmate question. Good thing I am not handwriting. The letters would be very wabbly do to my shaking.
You just seem rattled and in playground mode.
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Of much greater interest to me is that the Second of the Triune God became flesh.
The Word who was with God and WAS God became flesh in John 1.
So much more can be explored about this fantastic truth.
Flesh is an item of God's creation.
Flesh is not eternally existing in the past.
So this is momentous.
God clothed Himself in His own creation.
The infinite God clothed Himself in finite humanity, in flesh.
Then after His death He uplifted this nature that He put on and wore it back to the throne of God in heaven having all authority in the universe in His hands.
In resurrection this God who became flesh became the Firstborn from among the dead (Rev. 1:5) .
Jesus Christ is the Leader, the Elder Brother, the Firstborn among many brothers to follow Him in the uplifted and glorified humanity - God mingled with humanity.
It is for this purpose God created the universe - to have sons of God.
07 May 21
@sonship saidThis whole three-headed god thing is so weird to me, so pagan, so alien.
Of much greater interest to me is that the Second of the Triune God became flesh.
The Word who was with God and WAS God became flesh in John 1.
So much more can be explored about this fantastic truth.
Flesh is an item of God's creation.
Flesh is not eternally existing in the past.
So this is momentous.
God clothed Himself in His own creation.
The infinit ...[text shortened]... God mingled with humanity.
It is for this purpose God created the universe - to have sons of God.
I think we follow different Gods actually.
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Does imagining an idol with three heads help you to teach that there is no trinity?
A three headed pagan statue helps you to reject the disclosure of the Father and Son and Holy Spirit as distinct co-existing, co-eternal manifestations of God?
07 May 21
@sonship saidYou worship a three-headed god.
@divegeester
Does imagining an idol with three heads help you to teach that there is no trinity?
A three headed pagan statue helps you to reject the disclosure of the Father and Son and Holy Spirit as distinct co-existing, co-eternal manifestations of God?
It’s utter paganism and I don’t care how many html “holy” “divine” or other adjectives you add to your posts, it’s still a three-headed god.
08 May 21
@sonship saidOf course not.
@divegeester
Do you deny that the Son prayed to the Father?
Look the fundamental truth, the bedrock of all this is that God is ONE person not three.
Anything else after that fact, anything at all, explainable or not, cannot detract from that truth.
You have allowed the bedrock of the truth of god’s oneness to be corrupted by things like “did Jesus pray to the father”? And you answer by assuming there are more than one person in the godhead. You move away from the bedrock.
Feel free to do so, I never will.
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08 May 21
@divegeester saidSimple as that huh?
Of course not.
Look the fundamental truth, the bedrock of all this is that God is ONE person not three.
Anything else after that fact, anything at all, explainable or not, cannot detract from that truth.
You have allowed the bedrock of the truth of god’s oneness to be corrupted by things like “did Jesus pray to the father”? And you answer by assuming there are ...[text shortened]... than one person in the godhead. You move away from the bedrock.
Feel free to do so, I never will.
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You have allowed the bedrock of the truth of god’s oneness to be corrupted by things like “did Jesus pray to the father”? And you answer by assuming there are more than one person in the godhead. You move away from the bedrock.
Why do you not have a similar concern for robbing the Son of God of His "eternal kingdom" and His throne which is "forever and ever?"
". . . the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be richly and bountifully supplied to you." (1 Pet. 1:11)
Isn't there some selective outrage going on with this double standard you show?
08 May 21
@sonship saidFeel free to address the post I made.
@divegeesterYou have allowed the bedrock of the truth of god’s oneness to be corrupted by things like “did Jesus pray to the father”? And you answer by assuming there are more than one person in the godhead. You move away from the bedrock.
Why do you not have a similar concern for robbing the Son of God of His "eternal kingdom" and His throne whic ...[text shortened]... Pet. 1:11) [/b]
Isn't there some selective outrage going on with this double standard you show?
08 May 21
@divegeester saidThis one, you’ve replied about something else.
Look the fundamental truth, the bedrock of all this is that God is ONE person not three.
Anything else after that fact, anything at all, explainable or not, cannot detract from that truth.
You have allowed the bedrock of the truth of god’s oneness to be corrupted by things like “did Jesus pray to the father”? And you answer by assuming there are more than one person in the godhead. You move away from the bedrock.
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Look the fundamental truth, the bedrock of all this is that God is ONE person not three.
There are a number of things which a Christian could say are so important that they are "bedrock" to the Christian faith. Of course that there is one God is unquestionably one.
There is no argument from me on monotheism.
But there are other so-called "bedrock" truths to Christian faith.
Anything else after that fact, anything at all, explainable or not, cannot detract from that truth.
The revelation of God and His work was progressive and progressing through the ages. The Apostle Paul mentions what was hidden from generations but eventually became bedrock revelation.
"That by revelation the mystery was made known to me, as I hVe written previously in brief, By which, in reading it, you can perceive my understanding in the mystery of Christ, Which in other generations was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed to His holy apostles and prophets in spirit . . ." (Eph. 3:3-5)
Crucial and critical aspects of God's eternal economy were not made known until latter times. That includes the Triune God going through two becames in order to dispense Himself into man.
John 1:1,14 - "the Word [with God and being God] "became flesh and tabernacled among us."
1 Cor. 15:45 - "the last Adam became a life giving Spirit". The Triune God not only incarnated but became a life giving Spirit in order to come live a mingled life with His chosen and redeemed people.
Job, Abraham, David, and other Old Testament time saints did not know of this.
Again though the bedrock truth of God being one was lain there still was - " . . . the revelation of the mystery, which has been kept in silence in times of the ages but has now been manifested through the prophetic writings, according to the command of the eternal God, has been made known to all the Gentiles for the obedience of faith." (Rom. 16:26)
So the economy of God was gradually unfolded. And something was hidden and unknown to the saints when God revealed certain truths to the Israelites in the Exodus.
You have allowed the bedrock of the truth of god’s oneness to be corrupted by things like “did Jesus pray to the father”?
There is no corruption. There is further unveiling of God and His eternal purpose.
After Christ died and resurrected, THEN He announced that the disciples should baptize people into the singular name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
You have never seen me refer to triune Gods [ as plural ]. You have seen me write Triune God [ singular ].
But just as significant and bedrock that God revealed His oneness to Moses, so significant that He reveal His [singular] name of Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit to His new testament saints.
Even in the OT the mysterious three-oneness of God has its strong hints.
"Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness . . ." (Gen. 1:26) compare
[b]"And God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him . . . " (v.27)
God speaks as "Our" and God speaks as "Us".
And further clarification waited until God fully worked out His plan of redemption.
And you answer by assuming there are more than one person in the godhead. You move away from the bedrock.
I do not believe something extra in the Bible. Perhaps you do not believe enough.
I agree that God is one.
But God is three-one.
When Jesus prays that "that they also may be in Us" He did not mean the "Us" was one manifestation in the past but then gone as and another manifestaion in the present replacing the gone manifestaion. He was speaking of the "Us" of two Persons present at the same time and in the same moment.
The same as "We will come to Him and make an abode with him" (John 14:23). The "We" is two ___________ existing and present at the same time. It is not one part of the "We" was and no longer exists and another part of the "We" has replaced the other gone one.
"We" are two ___________ co-existing in the same moment.
08 May 21
@sonship saidI’m aware of what you believe and why you believe it, there is no need to write long convoluted html laden blogs about it.
@divegeester
Look the fundamental truth, the bedrock of all this is that God is ONE person not three.
There are a number of things which a Christian could say are so important that they are "bedrock" to the Christian faith. Of course that there is one God is unquestionably one.
There is no argument from me on monotheism.
But there are other so-c ...[text shortened]... as replaced the other gone one.
"We" are two ___________ co-existing in the same moment.
The bedrock of the godhead is explained to you countless times, god it ONE.
Everything else you have be taught and adopted which surrounds that bedrock is made up stuff to support a man made doctrine which you call “triune” yet another term which appears nowhere in the bible.
I stand on the bedrock of the word, you stand on manufactured ideas designed to fit in with early pagan notions of three-headed gods.